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From: Richard Salz <rich.salz@gmail.com>
To: Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] mh/hm, mmh (was: fmt(1): history, POSIX, -t, -c)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 12:25:47 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFH29toQesHQtrwQPw=eO4uiy3mw-PrvT3WcYaukBW9BP3hBWA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC20D2P6_knffBX66XMb-SZf+om1AOooN36xaea+M0=Tb5weqg@mail.gmail.com>

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"I'll try"  Wow, that was quite some "try"  Kudo's!

> This is important because the original ARPAnet NCP used FTP to do mail
transfer.

If you look at RFC 765 (dated June 1980) , there are nearly a dozen
mail-related FTP commands. By RFC 959, it's successor five years later, all
of them were gone.

Another eary MTA was the MMDF, the Multichannel Memorandum Distribution
Facility, from U Delware.  BBN ran it.  One key point is that somehow when
used with MH you could get real-time address verification before sending,
"user rs@bbn.com doesn't exist." BBN ran MMDF for a long time because a key
exec liked/needed that feature, long after 4.2 and sendmail. (My group was
one of the first to run sendmail, which I liked because of the "R$" lines
in its CF files.  (Not really :) My Usenet/email gateway code had to
support MMDF but it was only ever used on bbn.com)

>  could recognize ArpaNET address postfix and had a hack in it, that
allowed the 'user' part of the address to include UUCP addresses

Originally ihnp4!mirror!rs@seismo.arpa, then ihnp4!mirror!rs@seismo.css.gov
and then rs%mirror.uucp@seismo.css.gov and then rs@mirror.tmc.com  Thanks
to Mary Ann and the "UUCP Mapping Project" for making much of that possible
and Peter Honeyman for Pathlias, and MX records for the last part. The
pre-MX styles received much scorn from Research, and if you search for
"that hideous name" you can find a paper on it. There's also a pathlias
paper, which Honey later said "was too good for Usenix" but he had nowhere
else to submit it.

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-31 16:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-28 12:34 [TUHS] fmt(1): history, POSIX, -t, -c markus schnalke
2020-05-28 13:08 ` Rob Pike
2020-05-28 13:30 ` Clem Cole
2020-05-28 13:47   ` Clem Cole
2020-05-28 16:08     ` Mary Ann Horton
2020-05-28 18:00       ` Clem Cole
2020-05-28 18:35         ` Richard Salz
2020-05-28 18:51           ` Clem Cole
2020-05-29  0:18   ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2020-05-29  5:10     ` Michael Stiller via TUHS
2020-05-29  5:19       ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2020-05-29 13:39       ` Clem Cole
2020-05-29 15:43         ` Warner Losh
2020-05-29 16:12           ` Clem Cole
2020-05-29 17:14         ` Mary Ann Horton
2020-05-28 13:46 ` Clem Cole
2020-05-31 13:01   ` [TUHS] mh/hm, mmh (was: fmt(1): history, POSIX, -t, -c) markus schnalke
2020-05-31 14:53     ` Clem Cole
2020-05-31 16:25       ` Richard Salz [this message]
2020-05-31 16:50         ` Larry McVoy
2020-05-31 17:09       ` Ralph Corderoy
2020-05-31 17:25         ` Jon Steinhart
2020-05-31 17:28       ` [TUHS] mh/hm, mmh Mary Ann Horton
2020-05-31 18:56         ` Eric Allman
2020-05-31 19:49           ` Clem Cole
2020-05-31 21:31           ` Mary Ann Horton
2020-06-01  6:32             ` Caipenghui
2020-06-01  7:14             ` markus schnalke
2020-05-31 12:35 ` [TUHS] fmt(1): history, POSIX, -t, -c markus schnalke
2020-06-03  0:43 [TUHS] mh/hm, mmh (was: fmt(1): history, POSIX, -t, -c) Bakul Shah
2020-06-03  0:49 ` Clem Cole

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