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From: Douglas McIlroy <>
To: Larry McVoy <>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: when did v8 or later get networking?
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 08:41:58 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <> (raw)
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My preface to the manual: says v8 " incorporates facilities from the
Seventh Edition, System V, andBerkeley BSD 4.1. The distinctive theme distributed computing"It goes on to cite streams, Datakit, RFS,
and Blit. The internet lurks in the citation of BSD 4.1.

The preface goes on to suggest how the new facilities affected life in
the lab: "These facilities have spurred a host of programs for remote
information services, interactive graphics, debugging, and simple

On rereading this, I am struck by how blinkered I was not to overtly
mention either the internet, which brought us out of the clumsy era of
uucp and CSNET, or upas, which seamlessly integrated remote and local
mail (and would eventually save us from the Morris worm).

I recall expressions of surprise (dismay?) at the size of the BSD
internet code, but without it we'd have lost our place in the Unix
community. Even greater concern about the complexity of sendmail led
Presotto to develop the simpler upas.


On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 9:09 PM Larry McVoy <> wrote:
> TCP/IP, not datakit.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-08-10 12:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-10  1:09 [TUHS] " Larry McVoy
2023-08-10  2:38 ` [TUHS] " segaloco via TUHS
2023-08-10  2:45   ` Warner Losh
2023-08-10  3:17     ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-08-10  3:18     ` Rob Pike
2023-08-10  5:44       ` John Cowan
2023-08-10 12:41 ` Douglas McIlroy [this message]
2023-08-10 14:00 ` Jonathan Gray
2023-08-11  9:05 Paul Ruizendaal
2023-08-12  5:08 ` Warner Losh
2023-08-12  5:41   ` George Michaelson
2023-08-12  9:06   ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-08-12 10:29   ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-08-12 15:20     ` Warner Losh
2023-08-12 15:24       ` Dan Cross
2023-08-12 16:12         ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-08-12 15:05 Noel Chiappa
2023-08-12 18:00 ` Paul Ruizendaal

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