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register compatible to the SBI, BI, XMI CI adapters. (+- a few 
additional registers, if I remember correctely.) 
Once I had the idea to write DSSI support for NetBSD. I gave up this
idea, as this requires a TM doc for SCA, and this is a unobtainioum. 
As Ultrix has this bits already, it should be doable in Ultrix. 
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         Jochen

Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/

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when Ken went to the U.K to give a talk, he made the decision to
switch over to the | symbol.

Anyway, I could be completely wrong about this being in Salus'
book, so if I am, I'll have to hunt down where this info came from.

Cheers,
	Warren

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>
> These file are now in the Unix Archive on minnie.tuhs.org in
> PDP-11/Boot_Images/2.11_on_Simh
>
> The mirror sites should pick them up soon.
>

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"Cuckoo's Egg", by Cliff Stoll, and his accounts of that whole business
are interesting. Incidentally that's the book that hatched my interests
in things UNIX. And as it happens, I constantly, perhaps every couple of
months read it. Dennis, did you see my message on when a GUI was first
available with UNIX? If so, please contact me off-list. Or even on-list.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: tuhs-admin at minnie.tuhs.org [mailto:tuhs-admin at minnie.tuhs.org]
On
> Behalf Of Dennis Ritchie
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 11:41 PM
> To: tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org; dmr at plan9.bell-labs.com
> Subject: [TUHS] Re: rtm
> 
> Garcia is correct to praise the Hafner/Markoff account
> of the worm incident.  There were some details about
> the kids' accounts and exploits that Markoff decided
> to elide; by the time he wrote that chapter he had
> become rather sympathetic with the Morris family.
> 
> In 1995 another big incident occurred: the exploitation
> of the SYN TCP-connection takeover attack (Mitnick
> etc.)  Markoff got another front-page NYT story out
> of this (and a book with Shimomura).  I sent mail
> to Markoff at the time of the newspaper coverage reminding
> him that RTM had discovered the basic attack
> in 1985 (see CSTR 117 at
>  http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/cstr.html );
> while here during a summer.  Markoff replied in part,
> 
> >Interesting how often RTM figures, one way or another, in your
front-page
> >stories, and of course the [Cyberpunk] book....
> >
> >        Dennis Ritchie
> 
>   yes, this is true. you know i sat there on sunday for about ten
minutes and
>    thought about whether i should include rtm in my story - it would
obviously
>   have spiced it up. i finally decided not to on the grounds that 1. i
have
>   done enough to mythologize him for one decade 2. he is probably
entitled
>   not to be dragged through all this again. i still wonder whether i
did the
>   readers a disservice...
> 
> Incidentally, "RTM Sr." was (while here) "rhm" by login name,
> and always called Bob; I don't think he actually has a middle name (at
least
> I don't know it.)  I think it's like Harry S Truman.  RTM
> is called Robert, and never used Jr.
> 
> About
> 
>  > [Bob] Morris, he said, was the kind of guy who always liked to
tinker with
>  > things, and if an object had buttons, Morris just had to push them.
>  > In fact, sometimes Morris was just a little too quick with his
fingers.
>  > On one side of a machine room was the light switch, and on the
other
>  > side was the power to the machine.
> 
>  > On at least one occasion, you guessed it -- Morris hit the wrong
switch.
>  > Some people hung a disk pack that got ruined around his neck, and
someone
>  > put up a big sign as a reminder: "THIS IS THE WEST WALL!"
> 
> I suspect that we may be dealing with the "Schryer filter" regarding
> some of the details.  Norm S. was right about Bob's being
> an aggressive investigator and fiddler,  but I don't
> connect the west-wall sign with Morris in particular, but my
> memory could be failing too.  Norman Wilson
> might have been around for advent of the sign.
> In the event, it had more to do with circuit breakers
> labelled in small print "east wall" and "west wall"
> and someone choosing the wrong one.
> 
> 	Dennis
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs

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old licenses are still valid. Caldera/SCO are the le-
gal owners today; i.e. the license holders.
I'm not aware that they created a new license, super-
seeding the old ones.

My opinion is that the xBSDs are still restricted (to
personal, educational/research type of use).
The first really unrestricted BSD would be 4.4BSD-lite.

NetBSD was indeed the first spin-off of this one...

But as all the precedent writers, I'm no lawyer too.

-- 
M. Giegerich, mail: migieger at vsnl.com, phone: +91.(0)80.5530154

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>
> These file are now in the Unix Archive on minnie.tuhs.org in
> PDP-11/Boot_Images/2.11_on_Simh
>
> The mirror sites should pick them up soon.
>

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runs the same stuff.

> You can find T11 chips in several Q-bus and Unibus peripherals, most notably
> the RQDX1, 2, and 3 (the chip labeled "27-17311-01").

Also used in VT240/241 terminals.

My collection have some marked DEC DC311/es (T-11 engineering samples).

I's a nice chip with a straightforward interface.  Anyone that knows 8085,
nsc800 would like interfacing t-11. Instruction set is base LSI11.

Allison


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>> Yes, the 11/53 is a KDJ11-D.

>Not KDF-11B????

The KDF11-B (why are people putting the hyphens in all the wrong places?) is
the quad-height 11/23 with two SLU's and boot ROM.

Tim.

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Something I thought is worth warning folks about.  For RL01, RL02, RK06 and 
RK07 (at least), the last cylinder is RESERVED for bad blocks and the pack 
serial number.

Except for maintaining the bad block list, software should not write there, 
and should at least preserve the serial number (and its mirror copies that 
are usually present) when doing so.

The current implementation of VTServer (in particular, the code in the "hk" 
driver in pdpvtstand) does not appear to take that into account.

The problem is that if you take a *full* pack image from a pack and then 
restore that *full* pack image to a different pack, you will wipe out the 
latter's bad block info (and perhaps write in some areas that are known not 
to be very good).

Traditionally, Unix variants dealt with this by insisting that you use 
error free (Suffix -EF in the DEC part number on the pack) disk 
packs.  However, if you are using real hardware you may no longer have 
those available.

Just a "heads up".

(PS:  FYI I am currently working on a flavor of the "vt" driver that will 
work over a DR11C.  With the proper cabling (it takes different cables for 
input and output) you can manage over 1MB per minute that way -- about 20 
times faster than a serial port.  The code is pretty simple and should work 
on any old "plain jane" parallel port.  (I do not know how it would behave 
on a modern serial port)).

I had this working a long time ago, and VTServer prompted me to dredge it 
up again and test it.  It still works with my PIII 350 under Win98 (it is 
old DOS code that accesses the old style parallel port directly).  Within a 
few weeks I expect to provide a "pt" device driver for pdpvtstand, and 
cabling information and some source code for the PC side (which would be an 
example only).  The protocol as I currently use it has no 
checksum.  However I plan to modify "copy" to provide that information so 
that the results can be checked after the transfer.

Jay Jaeger
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Jay R. Jaeger					The Computer Collection
cube1 at home.com			visit http://members.home.net/thecomputercollection


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In article by Jay Jaeger:
> Something I thought is worth warning folks about.  For RL01, RL02, RK06 and 
> RK07 (at least), the last cylinder is RESERVED for bad blocks and the pack 
> serial number.

Jay, I've added your warnings to the new version, vtserver2.3a-20010404.tar.gz,
which I just put out a few seconds ago. This also contains a patch to the
ODT download code from Charles H Dickman <chd_1 at nktelco.net>:

	I made some changes to the source to wait for the current memory
	value and trailing space to be echoed by ODT. I also had a bit
	of trouble if the output values were not padded with 0's. I think
	this is because any character other than a valid octal digit or
	a return or a ctrl-j is illegal in that context and causes an error.

ftp://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/pub/PDP-11/Vtserver/vtserver2.3a-20010404.tar.gz
 
> (PS:  FYI I am currently working on a flavor of the "vt" driver that will 
> work over a DR11C.  With the proper cabling (it takes different cables for 
> input and output) you can manage over 1MB per minute that way -- about 20 
> times faster than a serial port.  The code is pretty simple and should work 
> on any old "plain jane" parallel port.  (I do not know how it would behave 
> on a modern serial port)).
> 
> I had this working a long time ago, and VTServer prompted me to dredge it 
> up again and test it.  It still works with my PIII 350 under Win98 (it is 
> old DOS code that accesses the old style parallel port directly).  Within a 
> few weeks I expect to provide a "pt" device driver for pdpvtstand, and 
> cabling information and some source code for the PC side (which would be an 
> example only).  The protocol as I currently use it has no 
> checksum.  However I plan to modify "copy" to provide that information so 
> that the results can be checked after the transfer.
> Jay Jaeger

Jay, if you could write a ptboot.s bootstrapper and a pt.c driver
which speaks the same protocol [should be easy - just use vt.c and
rewrite vtgetc() and vtputc()], then I'll happily add it to the
next version.

Cheers,
	Warren

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All,
	I've received this e-mail from a student at NYU Law Department.
If any of you have copies of old Unix licenses, and your organisation
would be prepared to release copies to Greg, could you contact him.

Also, if you could send me copies of your licenses, that would be
great too. About 8 people have already done this, and I am happy to
act as a repository for this old information.

Cheers,
	Warren

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Peter Salus identified you as the collector of old Unix versions, so I
thought you might be able to help me with a project I am working on.
I am studying the legal history of Unix for a colloquium at NYU, and I
would really love to see copies of the old Unix licenses that the various
universities signed. Do you happen to have access to any of these? All I
can find are the transcribed tape labels from your archive which say things
like "subject to the software agreement you have with Western Electric."
Thanks! And thank you also for pushing to make the source code available.
That has been an immeasurable help.

---
Greg Pomerantz
NYU Law, J.D. '02
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On Apr 5, 10:04, Warren Toomey wrote:
> All,
> 	I've received this e-mail from a student at NYU Law Department.
> If any of you have copies of old Unix licenses, and your organisation
> would be prepared to release copies to Greg, could you contact him.
>
> Also, if you could send me copies of your licenses, that would be
> great too. About 8 people have already done this, and I am happy to
> act as a repository for this old information.

Warren, do you still have copies of mine, or do you want another set?

-- 

Pete						Peter Turnbull
						Network Manager
						Dept. of Computer Science
						University of York

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Hi all,

I've set up a free public 2.11BSD system, for anyone who wants to try it..
To create an account, just telnet to klamath.ddts.net.

I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but it seems 
appropriate :>

	-larne-

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I've been scratching my head over how to set up the printer in 6th
Edition UNIX.  Any hints?  I tried mknod'ing /dev/lp with a variety of
major device numbers and then redirecting ls to it, with no success.
The printer interface is at the "usual" address on my PDP-11/34, and
works under another OS.  w

TIA -- Ian 

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The lp driver usually had a major device number of 2, so 'mknod /dev/lp c 2 0'
should work, but the kernel may not have been built to support line printers.

Check in /usr/sys/conf/c.c for an entry in the 'cdevsw' table for the
'lp' entries (and the major device position). If there are null entries,
either edit c.c, compile it and relink the kernel, or edit the 'run' script
in /usr/sys/conf/ and add 'lp' after the 'mkconf' (but before the 'done')
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Edward Brocklesby <ejb at leguin.org.uk> writes:

> I've set up a free public 2.11BSD system, for anyone who wants to try it..
> To create an account, just telnet to klamath.ddts.net.

would be interresting, but :

# telnet klamath.ddts.net
Trying 62.254.132.250...
telnet: connect to address 62.254.132.250: No route to host

my ip address is gits.dyndns.org (currently 212.198.231.165) and I
live in france.  are there any restrictions anywhere or the machine
is down ?

Cyrille.
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Subject: [pups] STYX and 2.11BSD licensing
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Hi all.

A couple of things..

First, sorry to post about this again so soon, but styx is moving to a new 
location, so any accounts created from now on will be removed later today
when it's moved.

Second, where do I stand on /usr/src/ permissions? Can I allow read access
to it, or is that effectively distributing 2.11BSD source, against SCO's 
license? Is there any way to verify who has obtained a license, and add them
to a src group?

Thanks,
	-larne-

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Couple of suggestions:

1.  Make a user account that automatically replies to email by sending a
user a copy of the SCO license and an automatically generated code,
which the user should then send back to be added to the src group.  I
could write a program for you.
2.  Make a program that checks whether a user is in the src group, if
not displays the SCO license, asks if the user accepts the license, if
so adds the user to the src group.  Problem is that this program should
be SUID...

I'll start working on the first suggested program rightaway.  Don't have
much else to do anyway ;-)

Edward Brocklesby wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> 
> A couple of things..
> 
> First, sorry to post about this again so soon, but styx is moving to a new
> location, so any accounts created from now on will be removed later today
> when it's moved.
> 
> Second, where do I stand on /usr/src/ permissions? Can I allow read access
> to it, or is that effectively distributing 2.11BSD source, against SCO's
> license? Is there any way to verify who has obtained a license, and add them
> to a src group?
> 
> Thanks,
>         -larne-

-- 
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As Dame Fortune did intend,
Murphy would be there to tell me
The pot's at the other end.
                -- Bert Whitney

Lars J. Buitinck

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Hi,

As the subject says, I enhanced the PDP-11 simulator from Robert
Supnik(V2.5a). Please tell me, if the README sounds interesting to
you. In that case, maybe we could arrange to put the tar ball on
one of minnie's disks.

Wolfgang

Here is the README:

MAR-13-01

This directory contains Robert Supnik's simulator controller V2.5a
together with the PDP-11 simulator. I modified the PDP-11 simulator.
The other simulators from the original V2.5a distribution are not
included in this directory.

The details:
Physical Addresses 
------------------
The deposit and examine commands treated physical addresses as 22
bit addresses, even if the CPU was set to 18 bit addresses. Thus,
the I/O page was addressed from 17760000 to 17777776.  I changed
this.  Now, if the CPU is set to 18 bit, the I/O page is addressed
from 760000 to 770000.

Three additional KL11 terminal devices:
---------------------------------------
KL11 File Input (KLI0, KLI1, KLI2):
The KL11 file input (KLIx) units read from an attached file. They 
implement the same registers as the KL11 terminal input (TTI).
(cf. 5.2.3 in simh_doc.txt)

KL11 File Output (KLO0, KLO1, KLO2)
The KL11 file output (KLOx) units append to an attached file.  They
implement the same registers as the KL11 terminal output unit (TTI).
(cf. 5.2.4 in simh_doc.txt)

The added program ASR supplies a (host)-terminal interface to
the KLI/O attached files.
ASR is invoked as
	asr kli klo .
It polls the host terminal (stdin) and appends the polled bytes
to the file kli. Furthermore it polls the file klo and copies
the polled bytes to the host terminal (stdout).

To quit asr, enter ^E.

To build asr, enter:
	cc asr.c scp_tty.c
	cp a.out asr

Building the pdp11-simulator:
The source code is in pdp11_kl.c. So the installation instructions in
simh_doc.txt apply.

Both asr and pdp11_kl.c is only tested on NetBSD 1.5. It hopefully
works on other UNIX-like host operating systems as well.

Example of who to to connect the file-I/O KL-devices and asr:
Start the simulator.
Attach the file kli to KLI0 and the file klo to KLO0.
Enter
	asr kli klo
from another host terminal.
Now, whatever you type, goes to KLI0, and whatever is written by
KLO0 is typed onto your terminal.

Device numbers of the terminal devices in PDP11-UNIX V6:
UNIT		major/minor number
TTI/TTO		0/0	(/dev/tty8, the console)
KLI0/KLO0	0/1
KLI1/KLO1	0/2
KLI2/KLO2	0/3

Synchronization of the line clock to the host clock:
---------------------------------------------------
"SYNC" is an add-on to the PDP-11 line clock device. It tries to
synchronize the Line-time Clock (CLK, cf. 5.2.6 in simh_doc.txt)
with the host time. It only works if the unsynchronized CLK runs
too fast. On every tick of CLK, the simulator then sleeps until a
total of 1/60 seconds elapsed from the last tick.

Synchronization slows down the simulator and reduces the load of
the CPU.  It is turned on automatically through activation of
the CLK device.  The clock device is activated through a RESET.
You can turn off synchronization by depositing '1' into the newly
added "SYNCH"-register of the CLK-unit. To turn on synchronizing,
deposit '0' into it. If synchronizing is active, the SYNCH-register
shows the host time (number of seconds elapsed since Jan 1 1970
UTC).

Have fun,

Wolfgang Helbig <helbig at ba-stuttgart.de>

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On Friday 06 April 2001  5:45 pm, Lars J. Buitinck wrote:
> Couple of suggestions:
>
> 1.  Make a user account that automatically replies to email by sending a
> user a copy of the SCO license and an automatically generated code,
> which the user should then send back to be added to the src group.  I
> could write a program for you.

Hmm, yes.. would it just ask them to accept the license, or direct them to
SCO's site, and get them to send back SCO's license code?  I'm really not
sure of the legal issues surrounding this (or even how much it matters,
now that it only takes 5 minutes to obtain a license..)

> 2.  Make a program that checks whether a user is in the src group, if
> not displays the SCO license, asks if the user accepts the license, if
> so adds the user to the src group.  Problem is that this program should
> be SUID...

Locking the group file and securely updating it shouldn't be *too* hard, but
yes, I'd prefer not to have many setuid programs around (I've already done
a small audit of the code and fixed a couple of security bugs, and removed
setuid bits from as many programs as possible.. I really wouldn't want someone
to have root on it, simply because it would allow them to take any IP address
on the host's network).

> I'll start working on the first suggested program rightaway.  Don't have
> much else to do anyway ;-)

cheers :>

	-larne-

PS- styx is down right now, it's getting it's own (100% dedicated :) box, 
hosted at tele.dk.. this should be setup over the weekend, then it'll be
up and running again.

Also, if anyone wants my INET_RESTRICT kernel patch (which only allows users 
in INET_GROUP to call connect()) for 2.11BSD, I can put it online somewhere
(although it's really not that difficult to implement). Also if 2.11BSD is 
still being maintained, the setproctitle() vulnerability recently discovered 
in 4BSD derived ftpd is still present (trivial fix - change 
setproctitle(title) to setproctitle("%s", title)).  I'm still going through 
various 4BSD code security problems to determine which are present in 2BSD.

And lastly, if anyone wants source to the newuser program I used, I can put 
that online too.

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Hi --

> From: Edward Brocklesby <ejb at leguin.org.uk>
> (although it's really not that difficult to implement). Also if 2.11BSD is 
> still being maintained, the setproctitle() vulnerability recently discovered 
> in 4BSD derived ftpd is still present (trivial fix - change 
> setproctitle(title) to setproctitle("%s", title)).  I'm still going through 

	2.11's still maintained - I've been busy (and a bit "burned out") and
	haven't fired up the 11/73 as much as I should have or used to.  So
	many projects, so little time ...

	Sounds like it's time to at least get the FTPD bug fixed though ;)

	Steven Schultz
	sms at to.gd-es.com

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Edward Brocklesby wrote:
> 
> Hmm, yes.. would it just ask them to accept the license, or direct them to
> SCO's site, and get them to send back SCO's license code?  I'm really not
> sure of the legal issues surrounding this (or even how much it matters,
> now that it only takes 5 minutes to obtain a license..)

Less than 5 minutes.  I don't know when you got your license, but they
don't even give a code anymore - they just show the license, let you
click "ACCEPT" and you're in their archive.  Just show 'em the license.

> Locking the group file and securely updating it shouldn't be *too* hard, but
> yes, I'd prefer not to have many setuid programs around (I've already done
> a small audit of the code and fixed a couple of security bugs, and removed
> setuid bits from as many programs as possible.. I really wouldn't want someone
> to have root on it, simply because it would allow them to take any IP address
> on the host's network).

And I don't feel like being responsible for anything bad that happens to
your box by a bug in MFSRP - My First SUID Root Program :-)

-- 
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As Dame Fortune did intend,
Murphy would be there to tell me
The pot's at the other end.
                -- Bert Whitney

Lars J. Buitinck

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On Friday 06 April 2001 11:24 pm, Steven M. Schultz wrote:
> 	2.11's still maintained - I've been busy (and a bit "burned out") and
> 	haven't fired up the 11/73 as much as I should have or used to.  So
> 	many projects, so little time ...

Hm, I saw the patch archive.. which patchlevel is the 2.11_rp_unknown image
on minnie at? 

There's a couple of things I'd be interested in adding to 2BSD, though I'm 
not sure if they'd make it into upstream.  One is the 4BSD timezones system, 
which is somewhat better than setting TIMEZONE in the kernel..

	-larne-

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Hi -

> From: Edward Brocklesby <ejb at leguin.org.uk>
> Hm, I saw the patch archive.. which patchlevel is the 2.11_rp_unknown image
> on minnie at? 

	It's ancient.   Look at /VERSION - it should have the current rev
	level:

Current Patch Level: 436
Date: February 22, 2001

	Oh, I see I've number 436 almost ready to publish ;)

> There's a couple of things I'd be interested in adding to 2BSD, though I'm 
> not sure if they'd make it into upstream.  One is the 4BSD timezones system, 
> which is somewhat better than setting TIMEZONE in the kernel..

	The 4BSD timezone stuff is already there, at least in userland - see
	/usr/share/zoneinfo and 'tic' and so on.

	Since most PDP-11s do not have a "CMOS clock" to get the date and time
	from I'm not sure where the kernel would get its initial date/time
	from.   Some models (11/93) have a TOY clock that could be set to
	GMT, but the other models do not - so the user/admin would have to
	remember to set the date/time to GMT when booting the system.

	Steven Schultz
	moe.2bsd.com


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> 	Since most PDP-11s do not have a "CMOS clock" to get the date and time
> 	from I'm not sure where the kernel would get its initial date/time
> 	from. [ ... ]

In UNIX V6/V7 the kernel reads the initial time from the superblock of the
root file system. The timestamp is written each time the superblock is updated
on disk.

> 	GMT, but the other models do not - so the user/admin would have to
> 	remember to set the date/time to GMT when booting the system.

The admin just has to remember that the date(1) command converts from
localtime to GMT when setting the date -- unless an 's' is appended to
the date string. (in V6 only, not mentioned in its man page)

BTW. in V6, the timezone offset was not coded into the kernel, but
in the C-library source ctime.c. If you happen to live outside
Eastern Timezone, you'll have to change it. Furthermore the daylight
saving time switch is hardcoded in localtime() -- last Sunday in
April and last Sunday in October, with different rules for 1974
(Jan 5 and last Sunday in November) and 1975 (last Sunday in February
and last Sunday in November).

So you in V6 don't have to rebuild the kernel to adopt the timezone
changes.  Instead you have to rebuild the C-Library (at least
replace ctime.c) and build all commands that depend on it. I've
found these:

	date find ls who cron dump mail pr restore

Putting the timezone offset into the kernel like in V7 seems to be
better, because you don't have to recompile all those commands.

Wolfgang

PS. I've patches to V6, that make it y2k ready and avoid some integer
overflows in ctime, which occure since 1998, so not related
to y2k.

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Hi -

> From: Wolfgang Helbig <helbig at Informatik.BA-Stuttgart.DE>
> In UNIX V6/V7 the kernel reads the initial time from the superblock of the
> root file system. The timestamp is written each time the superblock is updated
> on disk.
	
	2.11 (and as far as I can remember all of the 2BSD family) do the
	same thing.

	The trouble is that the initial time upon boot can be seriously wrong.

	For example I haven't booted my 11/73 in a month or two - the date and
	time will be sometime in Jan or Feb.

	In the "PC" world there's the CMOS clock (set to GMT on all the systems
	I have) and a battery - when the system boots it can read the 
	correct/current/GMT date/time from the hardware (as can a 11/93 with 
	a TOY clock).

> BTW. in V6, the timezone offset was not coded into the kernel, but
> in the C-library source ctime.c. If you happen to live outside

	Yep - I had hoped to never have to remember _that_ again ;)

> Putting the timezone offset into the kernel like in V7 seems to be
> better, because you don't have to recompile all those commands.

	Right.

	It is only one module in the kernel (param.c) that needs to
	be recompiled - just edit param.c and that's the only module that will
	be rebuilt.

	Another way is to use 'adb -w -k ...' and patch the kernel and/or
	memory.

	Steven Schultz
	sms at moe.2bsd.com

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All,

> 	Since most PDP-11s do not have a "CMOS clock" to get the date and
>	time from I'm not sure where the kernel would get its initial
>	date/time from.
Dunno about V6/V7/2BSD, but Ultrix-11 uses the "last modified" date-stamp
from the root file system (inode 1; /) to save/restore the last known
date.  Kinda works, and better than having a system run in 1970 initially :)
Still, TZ info is stored im the kernel.  Would be nice to have that in
user space, too...

--fred


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Subject: [pups] Sigma RDQ11-EC, ESDI disk wisdom needed
From: norman@nose.cs.utoronto.ca (Norman Wilson)
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I am trying to get a Sigma RQD11-EC ESDI disk controller and Fujitsu
M2261E disk to work in a MicroVAX III, and am stumped.  I am quite
sure the current problem would show up in a Qbus PDP-11 as well, so
I thought I'd ask here.

Those who don't recognize the devices will probably find it boring to
read on, but for the sake of politeness, the RQD11-EC is a four-drive
Qbus ESDI disk controller that speaks MSCP to the host computer, and
the M2261E is a 320MB full-height 5.25-inch ESDI disk drive.  I picked
them both up (actually two of each) just short of someone's dumpster a
couple of years ago, but this is the first time I have tried to use them.
It was believed that they were working when last powered up, which was
several years before they came to me.  They didn't come with documentation.
I hope to get a copy of the controller manual from a geographically-distant
friend, who has already e-mailed me a list of switch settings and some
other key facts.  www.pc-disk.de has a spec-and-jumpers sheet for the
disk.

In a sentence, the trouble is that the controller cannot see the disk.

In more detail:

The RQD11 is configured at address 0160354 (I am testing in a system
that also has an RQDX3 at the standard address which I don't want to
disturb); bootstrap disabled; CPU type LSI-11 (the only other choice is
`none'); interrupts at BR4.  Except the address, these are the same
settings the board had when it was last in use.

There are many disk jumpers.  Among the settings are: drive select 1;
daisy-chain style signal gating; 590 bytes per sector, hard-sectored;
ATTN not set to READY at power-up.  Again these are believed to be the
settings when the drive was last used.

The A (wide) cable runs from the A connector on the disk to J5 (the only
34-pin connector) on the controller.  The drive has a terminator DIP in
place.  The B (narrow) cable runs from the B connector on the disk to
J1 on the controller.  The cables I am using happen to be missing the
keys normally found at the drive end; I have tried all four possible
cable orientations to no avail.

When fed power, the disk spins up and calibrates (the rattling head-dance
I'm familiar with from other Fuji disks of similar vintage).  At no point
have I seen any fault LEDs lit.  The READY LED on the front of the disk
comes on after calibration, and stays on.

The RQD11's CSR responds as it should on the Qbus, and the sequence
that is supposed to open communications with WOMBAT (the firmware command
interpreter) works fine:

  >>>d/p/w 20001f40 20
  >>>d/l 20088008 80000002
  >>>d/w 200000ec ac
  >>>s 400

  RQD11-EC   WOMBAT Version: 2.38
  Drive number:

According to my friend with the manual, before the drive number prompt
the firmware should list all the drives it sees, but I have yet to see
it list anything.  If I give it a drive number between 0 and 7, it reports
`no drv'; any other number yields `Illegal drive number'.

I have tried various experiments, including
- using J3 instead of J1 for the B cable
- different drive-select lines
- changing CHN7 15-16 to `set ATTN at power-up'
each with all four possible cable orientations.

As I say, I'm stumped.  Anybody got any suggestions?  Is there anything
I can do to get better diagnostic information out of either the disk or
the controller?

Thanks much for any advice,

Norman Wilson

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[norman]

//GO.SYSIN DD ... is more a clue about what system I packed up
the file on than where I originally found it.  It's all rob's fault.