* Re: SDL2-devel polutes masterdir with tenths of devel packages.
2021-10-28 19:32 [ISSUE] SDL2-devel polutes masterdir with tenths of devel packages VoidPorts
@ 2021-10-28 21:52 ` paper42
2021-10-29 15:32 ` VoidPorts
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From: paper42 @ 2021-10-28 21:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by paper42 on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/33796#issuecomment-954250701
Comment:
> SDL2-devel seems to drag in gazzilions of dependencies. this is not good. First it install gazzilion of usless things. then it pollutes masterdir needesely.
-devel packages are not often installed for regular users, why is that not good? Why do you think they are useless? What do you mean by _needlessly_? xbps-src will remove them when the package build is completed, so you don't have to worry about them.
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2021-10-28 19:32 [ISSUE] SDL2-devel polutes masterdir with tenths of devel packages VoidPorts
2021-10-28 21:52 ` paper42
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From: VoidPorts @ 2021-10-29 15:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by VoidPorts on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/33796#issuecomment-954837470
Comment:
1. useless - because they aint a dependency of SDl2-devel. You do not need them to compile against SDL2 interface, nor link agaist its lib. They aint real dependencies.
2. not good because having such a massive chain of headers and libs pulled by a package will inevitably lead to sloppy written packages sooner or later, which might underspecify their dependencies.
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2021-10-28 19:32 [ISSUE] SDL2-devel polutes masterdir with tenths of devel packages VoidPorts
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From: VoidPorts @ 2021-10-29 15:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by VoidPorts on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/33796#issuecomment-954837470
Comment:
1. useless - because they aint a dependency of SDl2-devel. You do not need them to compile against SDL2 interface, nor link agaist its lib. They aint real dependencies.
2. not good because having such a massive chain of headers and libs pulled by a package will inevitably lead to sloppy written packages sooner or later, which might underspecify their dependencies.
3. I dont know the structure of void builder chroot well yet, but this also may increase build time by a significant factor, if this thing is repeated all over the ports tree, and repeated add / removes happen all the time. this might not be true for a lot of packages, I dont know yet, no time to look in detail at how it works.
4. if a package like SDK gets fixed to list correct dependencies in future, this will prolly cause issue for a lot of packages using it in tree, if underspecified.
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2021-10-28 19:32 [ISSUE] SDL2-devel polutes masterdir with tenths of devel packages VoidPorts
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From: VoidPorts @ 2021-10-29 15:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by VoidPorts on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/33796#issuecomment-954837470
Comment:
1. useless - because they aint a dependency of SDl2-devel. You do not need them to compile against SDL2 interface, nor link agaist its lib. They aint real dependencies.
2. not good because having such a massive chain of headers and libs pulled by a package will inevitably lead to sloppy written packages sooner or later, which might underspecify their dependencies.
3. I dont know the structure of void builder chroot well yet, but this also may increase build time by a significant factor, if this thing is repeated all over the ports tree, and repeated add / removes happen all the time. this might not be true for a lot of packages, I dont know yet, no time to look in detail at how it works.
4. if a package like SDK gets fixed to list correct dependencies in future, this will prolly cause issue for a lot of packages using it in tree, if underspecified. And prolly there are a lot of those.
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2021-10-28 19:32 [ISSUE] SDL2-devel polutes masterdir with tenths of devel packages VoidPorts
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From: Chocimier @ 2021-10-29 15:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by Chocimier on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/33796#issuecomment-954842786
Comment:
Ther aren't useless. Some of libraries are needed for headers (GL mainly), almost all are needed for static linking to SDL2.
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2021-10-28 19:32 [ISSUE] SDL2-devel polutes masterdir with tenths of devel packages VoidPorts
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2021-10-29 15:40 ` Chocimier
@ 2021-10-29 18:24 ` ericonr
2021-10-30 6:21 ` VoidPorts
2021-10-30 6:21 ` [ISSUE] [CLOSED] " VoidPorts
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From: ericonr @ 2021-10-29 18:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by ericonr on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/33796#issuecomment-954957791
Comment:
> if a package like SDK gets fixed to list correct dependencies in future, this will prolly cause issue for a lot of packages using it in tree, if underspecified. And prolly there are a lot of those.
If someone removes most of the deps, it's expected of them to test dependants and make sure things are still being picked up. The libraries needed for static linking should be in the `-devel` package as well, even if most of our packages don't make that usage.
> I dont know the structure of void builder chroot well yet, but this also may increase build time by a significant factor,
`./xbps-src fetch SDL2_image` took 20s, including fetching the 11MB distfile and repository indexes, actual unpacking took a few seconds.
Unless you're volunteering to do the work of checking that all of packages are indeed necessary for static linking and that other packages aren't specifying fewer dependencies than they need to, I'd like to close this issue.
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2021-10-28 19:32 [ISSUE] SDL2-devel polutes masterdir with tenths of devel packages VoidPorts
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2021-10-30 6:21 ` [ISSUE] [CLOSED] " VoidPorts
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From: VoidPorts @ 2021-10-30 6:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by VoidPorts on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/33796#issuecomment-955158033
Comment:
Sure Ill close it. When I said increase build time, I was referring to this situation occurring more than one time in tree. Anyways it's all cool. Fixing this is not a priority for me, id rather be more interested in learning more about xbps-src and see if the situation of flavor ports could be improved in tree, so one build sheet can generate multiple packages with different options with no human intervention.
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Closed issue by VoidPorts on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/33796
Description:
Void 5.14.14_1 x86_64 GenuineIntel uptodate rrFF
SDL2-devel seems to drag in gazzilions of dependencies. See Below. this is not good. First it install gazzilion of usless things. then it pollutes masterdir needesely.
xbps-install -n SDL2-devel
1.5_7 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 22432 7776
libusb-compat-devel-0.1.5_7 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 31039 10236
libogg-devel-1.3.5_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 442500 207445
libvorbis-devel-1.3.7_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 1663600 361136
libflac-devel-1.3.3_3 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 1350858 169566
sqlite-devel-3.36.0_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 2384666 865722
opus-devel-1.3.1_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 888068 237096
libsndfile-devel-1.0.31_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 1186314 331734
libfftw-3.3.10_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 4224952 1525149
fftw-devel-3.3.10_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 9384919 1935836
libsamplerate-devel-0.1.9_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 1595943 975348
xorgproto-2021.4_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 4209122 627640
libxshmfence-devel-1.3_2 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 6925 3164
xtrans-1.4.0_2 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 243378 47833
python3-3.10.0_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 23160028 7579409
xcb-proto-1.14.1_2 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 754117 101187
libXdmcp-devel-1.1.3_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 36211 9848
libXau-devel-1.0.9_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 29027 8080
libxcb-devel-1.14_2 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 4790164 535649
libX11-devel-1.7.2_3 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 4501935 1033691
libXext-devel-1.3.4_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 283793 50952
libXxf86vm-devel-1.1.4_3 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 44489 11976
libXfixes-devel-6.0.0_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 43474 12044
libXdamage-devel-1.1.5_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 9501 4284
libpciaccess-devel-0.16_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 76624 18884
libdrm-devel-2.4.107_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 590105 131744
libglvnd-devel-1.3.3_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 2246094 180258
libOSMesa-21.2.4_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 12676864 3570831
libclc-12.0.0_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 80800878 17981118
mesa-opencl-21.2.4_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 1533635 558461
MesaLib-devel-21.2.4_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 147294 35437
glu-9.0.2_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 350288 157096
glu-devel-9.0.2_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 17396 4960
libasyncns-devel-0.8_9 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 51017 13980
libXi-devel-1.7.10_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 760509 100100
libXtst-devel-1.2.3_2 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 123191 24508
pulseaudio-devel-15.0_3 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 398212 76588
pipewire-devel-0.3.38_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 821912 130706
sndio-devel-1.8.1_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 40803 12426
libxkbregistry-1.3.1_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 30712 12520
libxkbcommon-devel-1.3.1_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 354814 63959
libdecor-devel-0.1.0_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 13139 4639
libffi-devel-3.3_2 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 123793 39525
wayland-devel-1.19.0_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 580396 93319
wayland-protocols-1.23_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 448771 71199
libuuid-devel-2.37.2_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 70424 22956
libICE-devel-1.0.10_2 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 435889 76928
libSM-devel-1.2.3_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 280957 42492
libXcursor-devel-1.2.0_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 82752 24552
libXinerama-devel-1.1.4_1 install x86_64 https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/current 20612 639
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