From: TinfoilSubmarine <TinfoilSubmarine@users.noreply.github.com>
To: ml@inbox.vuxu.org
Subject: Re: synapse: minor changes.
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2022 17:03:00 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220103160300.1mJYD3CLUf8v-kZPtNqPCvTLBs3Oq6xCnXlQTgGUYx4@z> (raw)
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New comment by TinfoilSubmarine on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/pull/34676#issuecomment-1004190591
Comment:
> Syslog is not installed by default on void so you won't see the problems raised anywhere. If you think that installing socklog-void and knowing where vlogger logs to by default is easier than using `ps` and `pgrep runsvdir | xargs -I{} cat /proc/{}/cmdline` you should consider reading up on [runit](http://smarden.org/runit/). Which is the init system that void is using.
Not trying to strawman here, but by this logic, it seems like no service in Void should be shipping a `$service/log` since we can just dig logs out of `/proc`? I'm legitimately curious what constitutes a valid reason for adding a logging service then.
> That's a nice form of cargo-cult that begs for the statement that if you like how it's done in distribution X maybe you should switch to distribution X. If I remember correctly void is trying to provide packages as 'vanilla' as possible.
I wasn't really pointing to "how Debian does it" as much as "the authors are using this approach as a way to ship their own software so maybe we can learn from it", but you are right that this may be a too vendored approach for Void.
> If one seriously wants to set up a synapse homeserver, they have to install synapse, get valid ssl certificates, set up a reverse proxy, install postgresql and set it up, add well-known files for clients and federation, have a working e-mail setup, set up a TURN server and start running different worker processes to do load balancing. I don't think that copying sample config files so that the service starts without failing after a fresh install helps a beginner doing any of that. But it might have wrong defaults like the name of the homeserver (which makes the generated sqlite-db unusable if you want to switch the name later) and missing randomly generated secrets as already mentioned. It also introduced problems for people that were already having a working setup.
I agree that making a few changes to a default config to get the synapse service running is not representative of the amount of work needed to actually stand-up a feature-complete synapse from scratch. The original reason I attempted to have a default config in place was to remove the existing `INSTALL` telling the user what to do, since that vendors setup instructions/info. Indeed, there's a lot more that the user starting from scratch will need to do than just run:
```
sudo -u synapse python3 -m synapse.app.homeserver \
--server-name my.domain.name \
--config-path /etc/synapse/homeserver.yaml \
--generate-config \
--report-stats=yes
```
which is all that `INSTALL` was telling new users to do. But, including this in `INSTALL` may be more in line with upstream documentation, since the [upstream installation instructions](https://matrix-org.github.io/synapse/latest/setup/installation.html) don't have an explicit step telling the user to generate their config file except if following the PyPI/virtualenv instructions. And [this page on configuration](https://matrix-org.github.io/synapse/latest/usage/configuration/index.html) just says that the configuration should have been generated when you installed synapse.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-01-03 16:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-12-23 7:53 [PR PATCH] synapse: update to 1.49.2 freshprince
2021-12-23 8:01 ` [PR PATCH] [Updated] " freshprince
2021-12-30 2:57 ` TinfoilSubmarine
2021-12-30 2:59 ` TinfoilSubmarine
2021-12-30 3:11 ` TinfoilSubmarine
2021-12-30 10:44 ` freshprince
2021-12-30 10:54 ` freshprince
2021-12-30 14:49 ` TinfoilSubmarine
2021-12-31 8:51 ` [PR PATCH] [Updated] " freshprince
2021-12-31 8:53 ` freshprince
2021-12-31 9:02 ` freshprince
2021-12-31 9:11 ` [PR PATCH] [Updated] synapse: minor changes freshprince
2021-12-31 17:09 ` TinfoilSubmarine
2022-01-03 8:55 ` freshprince
2022-01-03 16:03 ` TinfoilSubmarine [this message]
2022-01-03 16:20 ` freshprince
2022-01-03 17:44 ` TinfoilSubmarine
2022-01-03 17:44 ` TinfoilSubmarine
2022-01-05 0:58 ` TinfoilSubmarine
2022-01-05 8:20 ` [PR PATCH] [Updated] " freshprince
2022-01-05 12:18 ` freshprince
2022-01-19 10:45 ` freshprince
2022-01-19 10:45 ` [PR PATCH] [Closed]: " freshprince
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