* [ISSUE] sddm requires `xorg-server` as a dependency
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New issue by flexibeast on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862
Description:
In testing `sddm` in a VM for the purposes of https://github.com/void-linux/void-docs/pull/237, i found that `xorg-server` is a dependency not specified by the `sddm` package.
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New comment by ericonr on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-627162900
Comment:
@Johnnynator
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* Re: sddm requires `xorg-server` as a dependency
2020-05-12 5:40 [ISSUE] sddm requires `xorg-server` as a dependency flexibeast
2020-05-12 7:23 ` ericonr
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New comment by sgn on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-627666948
Comment:
All DM-s require an X server somewhere,
it's not necessary the X server in the same machine.
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* Re: sddm requires `xorg-server` as a dependency
2020-05-12 5:40 [ISSUE] sddm requires `xorg-server` as a dependency flexibeast
2020-05-12 7:23 ` ericonr
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New comment by ericonr on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-627673677
Comment:
So we should just mention it in the documentation?
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New comment by fosslinux on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-627676994
Comment:
I don't believe that desktop environments, or login managers, should require xorg... they could run under wayland, or the X server could be on a different machine, etc etc.
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New comment by sgn on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-627678248
Comment:
On 2020-05-12 17:48:37-0700, fosslinux <notifications@github.com> wrote:
> I don't believe that desktop environments, or login managers, should
> require xorg... they could run under wayland, or the X server could
> be on a different machine, etc etc.
That's my point, too.
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Danh
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Comment:
Oh, whoops, I just saw this issue and commented, I scrolled over your message. Sorry!
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From: flexibeast @ 2020-05-13 3:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by flexibeast on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-627722248
Comment:
Well, i've been spending hours in VMs trying to work out what packages users need when trying to use DEs, for the purposes of the documentation i'm writing for the Handbook. Regardless of whether SDDM (the software, not the Void package in particular) *should* have a hard dependency on `xorg-server`, my testing showed that it does - without `xorg-server` installed, SDDM simply doesn't work. Once SDDM is started, one can certainly choose a Wayland-based Plasma session, but that involves getting SDDM started in the first place. It's true that a particular setup might involve an X server running on another machine, but i doubt that's the most common use case for KDE users.
i'm opposed to 'fixing' this sort of issue via documentation. If something is a soft dependency, sure, let's note that in documentation. But for hard dependencies like this, i feel that either the `sddm` package should be modified to depend on `xorg-server`, or that work is done by upstream so that this dependency is no longer required.
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New comment by flexibeast on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-627722248
Comment:
Well, i've been spending hours in VMs trying to work out what packages users need when trying to use DEs, for the purposes of the documentation i'm writing for the Handbook. Regardless of whether SDDM *should* have a hard dependency on `xorg-server`, my testing showed that it currently does - without `xorg-server` installed, SDDM simply doesn't work. Once SDDM is started, one can certainly choose a Wayland-based Plasma session, but that involves getting SDDM started in the first place. It's true that a particular setup might involve an X server running on another machine, but i doubt that's the most common use case for KDE users.
i'm opposed to 'fixing' this sort of issue via documentation. If something is a soft dependency, sure, let's note that in documentation. But for hard dependencies like this, i feel that either the `sddm` package should be modified to depend on `xorg-server`, or that work is done by upstream so that this dependency is no longer required.
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New comment by flexibeast on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-627722248
Comment:
Well, i've been spending hours in VMs trying to work out what packages users need when trying to use DEs, for the purposes of the documentation i'm writing for the Handbook. Regardless of whether SDDM *should* have a hard dependency on `xorg-server`, my testing showed that it currently does - without `xorg-server` installed, SDDM simply doesn't work. Once SDDM is started, one can certainly choose a Wayland-based Plasma session, but that involves getting SDDM started in the first place. It's true that a particular setup might involve an X server running on another machine, but i doubt that's the most common use case for KDE users.
i'm opposed to 'fixing' this sort of issue via documentation. If something is a soft dependency, sure, let's note that in documentation. But for hard dependencies like this, i feel that either the `sddm` package should be modified to depend on `xorg-server`, that it be modified to work *without* `xorg-server` being installed, or that work is done by upstream so that `xorg-server` is no longer required.
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New comment by sgn on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-627936950
Comment:
On 2020-05-12 20:26:23-0700, Alexis <notifications@github.com> wrote:
> i'm opposed to 'fixing' this sort of issue via documentation. If
> something is a soft dependency, sure, let's note that in
> documentation. But for hard dependencies like this, i feel that
> either the `sddm` package should be modified to depend on
> `xorg-server`, or that work is done by upstream so that this
> dependency is no longer required.
Users would want to install either xorg or xorg-minimal, though.
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New comment by fosslinux on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-628309188
Comment:
As @sgn said, however, what if they did something like `export DISPLAY=10.0.0.1:1` to do xorg over the network and launch sddm there? This is a valid usecase that would mean the user doesn't require an X server. I run sddm and it seems it wants a X socket/DISPLAY to access, not a hard dependency on xorg... Happy to be corrected though.
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https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-628316854
Comment:
@fosslinux: It's certainly a valid use-case, but i doubt it's at all the most common one, which is what i'm trying to address here. Having `xorg-minimal` as a hard dependency wouldn't impact one's ability to set things up for the use-case you described, and it would give a better out-of-the-box experience for (what i believe to be) the majority of SDDM users.
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New comment by fosslinux on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-628372456
Comment:
I think this should be standardized across all DM, WM and DEs. What makes SDDM special that it should have this dependency? Why not add this requirement to (say) xfce4, etc?
Having `xorg-minimal` as a hard dependency is likely to pull in a lot of dependencies users may not necessarily want, and I think there should be a way to make it an optional dependency; ie, make it removable from the system, for usecases where sddm is needed but not an X server. Does XBPS have this ability?
My personal opinion for the best solution here would be to make a `sddm-full` package, or rename `sddm` to `sddm-base`, or something like that, introducing new package/changing the existing sddm package to depend on `sddm`/ `sddm-base`, `xorg-minimal` and potentially other goodies.
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New comment by flexibeast on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-628378318
Comment:
@fosslinux: i can't speak about other DMs, but `gdm` doesn't need it because it uses Wayland by default. (i haven't yet got to testing the minimal requirements for other DMs for documentation purposes.)
Installing `xorg-minimal` requires ~10M worth of downloads, and ~40M worth of disk space. Its current deps are just:
xorg-server>=0
xauth>=0
xinit>=0
xf86-input-libinput>=0
Other members of the Void team will have to comment on your packaging idea; it seems reasonable to me, but there might be issues i'm not aware of.
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https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-628378861
Comment:
FWIW, `xorg-minimal` isn't a plug-and-play, then, for most devices, as most of the time you will need a `xf86-video-{something}` as well.
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https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-628381396
Comment:
Again, in my testing, all that was needed to get the `sddm` to work was `xorg-server`; i didn't need to install `xf86-video-{whatever}`.
(i'd also prefer that the eventual package structure be `sddm` with a dependency on `xorg-minimal`, and `sddm-minimal` for people who don't want that dependency. Again, i'm trying to address what i believe will be the most common use-case.)
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https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-628381396
Comment:
Again, in my testing, all that was needed to get the `sddm` package to work was `xorg-server`; i didn't need to install `xf86-video-{whatever}`.
(i'd also prefer that the eventual package structure be `sddm` with a dependency on `xorg-minimal`, and `sddm-minimal` for people who don't want that dependency. Again, i'm trying to address what i believe will be the most common use-case.)
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https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-628411556
Comment:
Oh, that's right, I forgot modset was merged into xorg-server. My bad.
That packaging structure sounds reasonable to me.
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https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-628447052
Comment:
I think a Void user is aware that when he wants to run a DE under X11 he has to install `xorg` (or `xorg-minimal` and some more). I don't think we want `sddm` to depend on packages which it really does __not__ depend on.
If anything you could perhaps create a `sddm-easy` PR as a meta package and put any dependencies you think are required for a *good user experience* into that one. I don't know if @void-linux/pkg-committers would accept that, though.
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https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-628447052
Comment:
I think a Void user is aware that when he wants to run a DE under X11 he has to install `xorg` (or `xorg-minimal` and some more). I don't think we want `sddm` to depend on packages which it really does __not__ depend on.
If anything you could perhaps create a `sddm-easy` or `sddm-x11` PR as a meta package and put any dependencies you think are required for a *good user experience* into that one. I don't know if @void-linux/pkg-committers would accept that, though.
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https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-628481164
Comment:
@pullmoll: The difficulty is when people intend to use Wayland for their Plasma sessions. People won't need to install X for that, but if they at least want to use SDDM, it doesn't work at all without `xorg-server` / `xorg-minimal`.
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New comment by pullmoll on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-628495220
Comment:
I admit I have no experience with Wayland. Still, the description of `sddm` reads "QML based X11 display manager" which should be sufficient to tell people they need X11 installed in case they want to run local sessions with `sddm`.
And if they don't want to install (also) the X11 dependency they should use a different DM, provided there is one which does not need X11 :)
Since the `sddm` maintainer is @the-maldridge I'd say we leave it to him to decide how to deal with this issue.
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Comment:
> provided there is one which does not need X11 :)
Yeah, not sure if there is one or not. Certainly `gdm` pulls in `xorg-server`.
> Since the sddm maintainer is @the-maldridge I'd say we leave it to him to decide how to deal with this issue.
\*nod\* And if he decides not to change `sddm`'s dependencies, documentation it is: i'll update https://github.com/void-linux/void-docs/pull/237 accordingly.
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https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-629152201
Comment:
I'm late to the party but I wouldn't want `sddm` (or other LM) to depend on xorg-server because of reasons already mentioned.
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* Re: sddm requires `xorg-server` as a dependency
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New comment by flexibeast on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-629167056
Comment:
As a side note, if the decision is that DMs shouldn't have `xorg-server` as a (direct or indirect) dependency, then the `gdm` package will need to be modified to reflect that, since as i wrote above, it currently pulls in `xorg-server`.
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* Re: sddm requires `xorg-server` as a dependency
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New comment by flexibeast on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-629167056
Comment:
As a side note, if the decision is that DMs shouldn't have `xorg-server` as a (direct or indirect) dependency, then the `gdm` package will need to be modified to reflect that, since as i wrote above, it currently pulls in `xorg-server`.
(Ping @mnabid and @not-chicken, who are currently working on packaging GNOME 3.36.)
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* Re: sddm requires `xorg-server` as a dependency
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From: not-chicken @ 2020-05-15 14:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by not-chicken on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-629275777
Comment:
> As a side note, if the decision is that DMs shouldn't have `xorg-server` as a (direct or indirect) dependency, then the `gdm` package will need to be modified to reflect that, since as i wrote above, it currently pulls in `xorg-server`.
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> (Ping @mnabid and @not-chicken, who are currently working on packaging GNOME 3.36.)
Gentoo's `gdm` ebuild has this: https://bugs.gentoo.org/295686 marked as reason for having `xorg-server` as a rundep. I wasn't able to reproduce it now though( would be better if someone else can test too) as it probably got fixed upstream sometime during the decade. If it's confirmed fixed, we can remove `xorg-server` safely.
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* Re: sddm requires `xorg-server` as a dependency
2020-05-12 5:40 [ISSUE] sddm requires `xorg-server` as a dependency flexibeast
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From: the-maldridge @ 2020-05-18 2:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
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New comment by the-maldridge on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-629917437
Comment:
The most correct action would be to have a virtual package for X, but that relies on components of xbps that are less stable than I'd like. The best and most straightforward action is to not patch this package, as adding the dependency would be inappropriate, and to not patch it out of gdm, as that could inadvertently break existing users.
Once virtual packages become a better option, having them depend on a virtual package for xorg with xorg-server being the default provides would be an acceptable option.
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Closed issue by flexibeast on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862
Description:
In testing `sddm` in a VM for the purposes of https://github.com/void-linux/void-docs/pull/237, i found that `xorg-server` is a dependency not specified by the `sddm` package.
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New comment by flexibeast on void-packages repository
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/21862#issuecomment-629917636
Comment:
@the-maldridge: Thanks!
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