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From: Roman Perepelitsa <roman.perepelitsa@gmail.com>
To: Ray Andrews <rayandrews@eastlink.ca>
Cc: zsh-users@zsh.org
Subject: Re: path PATH
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 17:38:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAN=4vMq_M5P+p=oFqq5R_cSauqs425L6p5sKuNkam2yq1FKZtw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3885c637-c56f-2bb7-9a89-02009254ed75@eastlink.ca>

On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 5:21 PM Ray Andrews <rayandrews@eastlink.ca> wrote:
>
> One could create other variables that show as 'export -T
> ...' but this is not actually done in the raw shell, so PATH is unique
> even if not 'special' as you use the word.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. PATH has a unique name,
yes, but it behaves like any other parameter. In particular, `typeset
-p` works on PATH the same way as on any other parameter. Perhaps you
want `typeset -p` to work differently for PATH? In other words, do you
want PATH to be special?

> However it is 'special' in that 'typeset -p PATH' does not show
> it's accurate value.

`typeset -p PATH` does show the precise and accurate value of PATH.
It's so precise and accurate that you can literally evaluate the
output to obtain exactly the same state of PATH in another shell.

The job of `typeset -p` is to tell you precisely and accurately what a
certain parameter is. The output of `typeset -p PATH` achieves that.
There is no hidden "real" value that it doesn't show. It shows every
bit of information related to PATH.

Consider this snippet:

    % typeset foo=$'1\n2'
    % print -r -- $foo
    1
    2
    % typeset -p foo
    typeset foo=$'1\n2'

Is `typeset -p` also not printing the "real" value of the parameter here?

I'll ask again: what do you think should be the output of `typeset -p PATH`?

Roman.

P.S.

I think you perceive some difference between PATH and FOO from my
previous email. There isn't any. There are some tools (commands and
builtins) whose *behavior* depends on PATH, but that doesn't imply
anything special about the parameter itself.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-21 16:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-20 21:57 Ray Andrews
2023-01-20 22:20 ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-21  2:23   ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-21  6:11     ` Lawrence Velázquez
2023-01-21 15:18       ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-21 15:25         ` Roman Perepelitsa
2023-01-21 16:21           ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-21 16:38             ` Roman Perepelitsa [this message]
2023-01-21 16:54               ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-21 17:01                 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2023-01-21 18:53                   ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-21 19:09                     ` Roman Perepelitsa
2023-01-21 20:50                       ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-21 21:11                         ` Roman Perepelitsa
2023-01-21 20:19                     ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-21 20:26                       ` env arrays (was: Re: path PATH) zeurkous
2023-01-22 17:28                         ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-21 21:03                       ` path PATH Ray Andrews
2023-01-21 21:52                         ` Lawrence Velázquez
2023-01-22  0:42                           ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-22 12:29                             ` Roman Perepelitsa
2023-01-22 14:17                               ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-22 16:15                                 ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-22 17:23                                   ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-22 19:20                               ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-22 19:31                                 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2023-01-22 19:51                                   ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-22 19:56                                     ` Roman Perepelitsa
2023-01-22 20:03                                       ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-22 21:56                                         ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-22 22:02                                           ` Roman Perepelitsa
2023-01-22 22:27                                             ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-22 23:03                                           ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-22 20:12                                       ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-22 21:11                                         ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-22 22:44                                           ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-22 23:35                                             ` Lawrence Velázquez
2023-01-22 23:58                                               ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-23  0:49                                                 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2023-01-23  1:33                                                   ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-23  1:49                                                     ` Lawrence Velázquez
2023-01-23  1:11                                             ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-23  1:56                                               ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-23  2:59                                                 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2023-01-23  3:47                                                   ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-23 10:37                                             ` Roman Perepelitsa
2023-01-23 15:28                                               ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-23 15:40                                                 ` zeurkous
2023-01-23 16:02                                                   ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-23 16:25                                                     ` zeurkous
2023-01-23 16:26                                               ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-24 20:00                                     ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-24 20:42                                       ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-24 20:50                                         ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-24 20:54                                         ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-24 23:28                                     ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-24 23:42                                       ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-25  0:14                                         ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-25 16:38                                           ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-25 16:43                                             ` Roman Perepelitsa
2023-01-25 16:56                                               ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-25 17:02                                                 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2023-01-25 17:34                                                   ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-25 17:37                                                     ` Roman Perepelitsa
2023-01-25 18:26                                                       ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-25 18:34                                                         ` Roman Perepelitsa
2023-01-25 19:00                                                           ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-26  2:13                                                           ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-26  2:37                                                             ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-26  4:27                                                               ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-26 20:26                                                                 ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-26 20:29                                                                   ` Roman Perepelitsa
2023-01-26 20:59                                                                     ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-26 21:17                                                                       ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-26 21:41                                                                       ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-26 21:44                                                                         ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-26 22:36                                                                           ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-26 22:43                                                                             ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-27  0:19                                                                               ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-27  3:36                                                                                 ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-27 17:51                                                                                 ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-27 20:45                                                                                   ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-27 21:09                                                                                     ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-27 23:45                                                                                       ` scowles
2023-01-28  0:12                                                                                         ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-28  3:47                                                                                           ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-28 16:42                                                                                             ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-28 22:51                                                                                               ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-29  2:30                                                                                                 ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-29  3:03                                                                                                   ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-29  3:44                                                                                                     ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-29  4:35                                                                                                       ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-29 15:54                                                                                                         ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-29 21:21                                                                                                           ` Lawrence Velázquez
2023-01-29 22:33                                                                                                             ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-29 22:42                                                                                                               ` Lawrence Velázquez
2023-01-30  0:42                                                                                                                 ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-30  0:46                                                                                                                   ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-30  4:41                                                                                                                 ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-30  5:16                                                                                                                   ` Lawrence Velázquez
2023-01-30  6:55                                                                                                                     ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-30 14:40                                                                                                                   ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-30 14:55                                                                                                                     ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-30 14:56                                                                                                                     ` Roman Perepelitsa
2023-01-30 15:56                                                                                                                       ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-30 16:09                                                                                                                         ` Roman Perepelitsa
2023-01-30 16:24                                                                                                                           ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-30 16:34                                                                                                                             ` Roman Perepelitsa
2023-01-30 23:05                                                                                                                           ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-30 17:50                                                                                                                         ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-31  0:42                                                                                                                           ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-26 22:18                                                                         ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-25 22:18                                                   ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-25 23:10                                                     ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-25 23:19                                                       ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-26  0:55                                                         ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-22 19:52                                 ` Ray Andrews
2023-01-21 16:48             ` Bart Schaefer
2023-01-21  5:47 ` Lawrence Velázquez

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