RE: [9fans] simple keyboard question

RE: [9fans] simple keyboard question

[Tiit Lankots]

> dvoraks are no more efficient for typists than qwerty keyboards.
> the only good argument i've heard for using them is that, during the
> transition period, you tend to be a very slow typist and this may
> alleviate RSI.

That Dvorak's idea was flawed, anyone can tell. But qwerty was designed
to _slow the typist down_. 

Tiit

Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question

[Rob Pike]

> That Dvorak's idea was flawed, anyone can tell. But qwerty was designed
> to _slow the typist down_.

another myth, just not true.  look up the story at google.com (try
	dvorak keyboard fudged
as a starter).

-rob

Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question

[boyd, rounin]

> That Dvorak's idea was flawed, anyone can tell. But qwerty was designed
> to _slow the typist down_.

that's one theory, but i'm not sure anybody knows why (rob?).

anyway i can hunt 'n peck at 120wpm so i don't really need to
go any faster, but if i do i'll use a _well designed_ mouse interface.

Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question

[Fco.J.Ballesteros]

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Copy usbhid from /n/sources/nemo (see a mail to the list about this),
then you'd have to edit a translation table (map) for dvorak. Despite
its name, usbhid handles also the cons(3) keyboard just to translate
runes to adapt to your key map.

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From: Hugo Santos <hugo_santos@users.sourceforge.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:14:20 +0000
Message-ID: <3FE61B3C.3040706@users.sourceforge.net>

Hugo Santos wrote:

> How may i change the keymap in plan9? I wish to use Dvorak. I browsed
> through some man pages but found no information.
>
> Hugo Santos
>
Well, thanks for all your opinions about dvorak, but the main question
wasnt answered, how do i change the keymap? :-)
About dvorak, to me, it seems a bit more logical to use and easier on
the hands than qwerty. In overall, i think it is nicer.

HS

Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question

[boyd, rounin]

> They had their fingers in many pies, including computers!  Does anyone
> remember Remington-Rand Univac?

yup

> (ps- Homage to Boyd: The M-40 sniper rifle is pretty good, but I'd just
> as soon take a Sprinfield M1A with a heavy barrel.)

been reading my SEAL Sniper Training Program :)  even in 'nam the M-40
was the weapon of choice.  but, i think i'll stick to M9's.

Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question

[boyd, rounin]

> by remington (of the rifle fame)

yeah, pass me my remington 700 with sniper scope [M-40].

Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question

[boyd, rounin]

> dvoraks are no more efficient for typists than qwerty keyboards.

i like US qwerty.  great to write code on.  could be better, but i'll
take US qwerty if i can get it.  writing code on azerty is no fun,
although not so bad once you've installed sam;  give me the mouse
anyday -- keyboard shortcuts are indicative of a bad mouse interface.

Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question

[David Presotto]

Lots of ways over time.  The quick and dirty one is just change the scan code
mappings in the kernel's kbd.c.  Better you than me since you've got the
keyboard.

RE: [9fans] simple keyboard question

[Charles Forsyth]

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same principle, as often used by standards committees:
you just keep firing (typing) away until they fall down

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From: "Tiit Lankots" <t.lankots@aprote.ee>
To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: RE: [9fans] simple keyboard question
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:42:48 +0200
Message-ID: <81132473206F3A46A72BD6116E1A06AE479CD6@black.aprote.com>

but the google lookup was nevertheless useful.
i didn't know before that the typewriter was marketed
by remington (of the rifle fame)

Tiit

Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question

[Hugo Santos]

Hugo Santos wrote:

> How may i change the keymap in plan9? I wish to use Dvorak. I browsed
> through some man pages but found no information.
>
> Hugo Santos
>
Well, thanks for all your opinions about dvorak, but the main question
wasnt answered, how do i change the keymap? :-)
About dvorak, to me, it seems a bit more logical to use and easier on
the hands than qwerty. In overall, i think it is nicer.

HS

Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question

[Rasputin]

Rob Pike wrote:
> funny thing about dvorak keyboards.  they're based on bad science.
> mr dvorak knew what we wanted and fudged his data until he got it,
> but it was all bogus.  on the other had, the qwerty keyboard actually
> was tested quite a bit in the early days and came out on top.
>
> dvoraks are no more efficient for typists than qwerty keyboards.
> the only good argument i've heard for using them is that, during the
> transition period, you tend to be a very slow typist and this may
> alleviate RSI.

Speaking as someone with RSI I'd disagree.The layout does seem to
minimise movement and overstretching of the fingers.
  YMMV, of course.



--
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns

Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question

[Dan Cross]

"Tiit Lankots" <t.lankots@aprote.ee> writes:
>
> but the google lookup was nevertheless useful.
> i didn't know before that the typewriter was marketed
> by remington (of the rifle fame)

They had their fingers in many pies, including computers!  Does anyone
remember Remington-Rand Univac?

	- Dan C.

(ps- Homage to Boyd: The M-40 sniper rifle is pretty good, but I'd just
as soon take a Sprinfield M1A with a heavy barrel.)

RE: [9fans] simple keyboard question

[Tiit Lankots]

but the google lookup was nevertheless useful.
i didn't know before that the typewriter was marketed
by remington (of the rifle fame)

Tiit

RE: [9fans] simple keyboard question

[Tiit Lankots]

 > another myth, just not true.  look up the story at google.com (try
> 	dvorak keyboard fudged
> as a starter).

Different web pages tell different stories. But if experiments show
that qwerty typists are nowadays faster than dvorak's - you can't
argue with facts.

Tiit

Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question

[Rob Pike]

funny thing about dvorak keyboards.  they're based on bad science.
mr dvorak knew what we wanted and fudged his data until he got it,
but it was all bogus.  on the other had, the qwerty keyboard actually
was tested quite a bit in the early days and came out on top.

dvoraks are no more efficient for typists than qwerty keyboards.
the only good argument i've heard for using them is that, during the
transition period, you tend to be a very slow typist and this may
alleviate RSI.

-rob

[9fans] simple keyboard question

[Hugo Santos]

How may i change the keymap in plan9? I wish to use Dvorak. I browsed
through some man pages but found no information.

Hugo Santos