* [9fans] wireless/cellular connectivity?
@ 2004-02-09 1:19 a
2004-02-09 1:56 ` Jim Choate
2004-02-09 5:43 ` Kenji Okamoto
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From: a @ 2004-02-09 1:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
okay, my feelings on a certain parallel thread regarding
plan9's value in a single-system setup not withstanding, i
think we can all agree that plan9 does *best* in a
networked environment.
to that end, i'm wondering if anyone's done any work with
getting plan9 talking to any of the cellular data
networks out there. RTT is available pretty much
everywhere in the US now, and EVDO, with throughput of
around 130kb/s, is available in some key areas. and of
course there's the GSM stuff, GPRS and... some other "G"
acronym i can't remember right now (any others of note
i'm missing?). it'd be nice to get a plan9 or inferno
device on the net this way.
i've used both plan9 and inferno on PDAs, as well as
PalmOS, linux, and WinCE (briefly!). i've not been
generally impressed by PDAs in general, mostly because
the feel so crippled, and removed from my *real*
computing resources (hefty processors, big storage).
plan9 or inferno were the only ones that felt like
they overcame this, but that was over WiFi - no range.
this seems particularly relevant as the higher-end
cell phones start squeezing out PDA functionality
(and, i suspect, the \x10PDA market, given ~2 years).
perhaps relevantly, inferno runs on the OMAP chip,
right? it'd be nice to see inferno on, say, these:
http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/Feb2003/4953.htm
(well, okay, it'd be *nicer* if japan didn't use their
own "special" cell tech...).
ア
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* Re: [9fans] wireless/cellular connectivity?
2004-02-09 1:19 [9fans] wireless/cellular connectivity? a
@ 2004-02-09 1:56 ` Jim Choate
2004-02-09 1:58 ` a
2004-02-09 2:00 ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-09 5:43 ` Kenji Okamoto
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From: Jim Choate @ 2004-02-09 1:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 a@9srv.net wrote:
> okay, my feelings on a certain parallel thread regarding
> plan9's value in a single-system setup not withstanding, i
> think we can all agree that plan9 does *best* in a
> networked environment.
No, it was designed for -distributed- environments.
Not the same thing. P9 offers -no- significant advantage from the
perspective of a single user wanting to keep all their 'stuff' on a single
box. Whether that single box is networked or not is irrelevant. What
matters is that it is a -single- box tied do a -location-.
P9 offers global sign on at a level all other OS'es drool about.
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* Re: [9fans] wireless/cellular connectivity?
2004-02-09 1:19 [9fans] wireless/cellular connectivity? a
2004-02-09 1:56 ` Jim Choate
@ 2004-02-09 5:43 ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-02-09 6:08 ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-09 9:34 ` a
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From: Kenji Okamoto @ 2004-02-09 5:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> (well, okay, it'd be *nicer* if japan didn't use their
> own "special" cell tech...).
Actually, I've heard many times from Japanese broadcasting,
that Japan is leading world on this cell tech....
However, I also know that Japan didn't invent this celler phone
itself. I don't trust japanese broadcasting so much, though.☺
Kenji
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* Re: [9fans] wireless/cellular connectivity?
2004-02-09 5:43 ` Kenji Okamoto
@ 2004-02-09 6:08 ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-09 6:24 ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-02-09 9:34 ` a
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From: boyd, rounin @ 2004-02-09 6:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> Actually, I've heard many times from Japanese broadcasting,
> that Japan is leading world on this cell tech....
AFAIK .jp followed .us, but in interesting ways.
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* Re: [9fans] wireless/cellular connectivity?
2004-02-09 5:43 ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-02-09 6:08 ` boyd, rounin
@ 2004-02-09 9:34 ` a
2004-02-09 10:04 ` boyd, rounin
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From: a @ 2004-02-09 9:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
// ...Japan is leading world on this cell tech....
for clarity, i'm refering to the network, not the phones. they
have a derivative of one of the "main" networks (pretty sure
it's GSM) that just isn't compatable with the one used in the
rest of the world. thus most japanese phones are useless
elsewhere in the world.
however, i'd say japan is certainly leading the world in cell
tech, at least compared to other places i've seen. when i was
there three (?) years ago, camera phones were everywhere, for
example, well before they were more than a rarity in the US.
Japan also makes much more extensive use of SMS stuff (although
again, i'm not sure if it's technically the same there), with
GB (where i am now, for some months) in between.
ア
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2004-02-09 9:34 ` a
@ 2004-02-09 10:04 ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-10 0:48 ` bs
2004-02-09 10:05 ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-10 0:58 ` Kenji Okamoto
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From: boyd, rounin @ 2004-02-09 10:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> for clarity, i'm refering to the network, not the phones. they
> have a derivative of one of the "main" networks (pretty sure
> it's GSM) that just isn't compatable with the one used in the
> rest of the world.
there are 3 GSM nets:
900Mhz GSM [standard]
DCS 1800Mhz [GSM-ish]
1900Mhz GSM [US]
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2004-02-09 10:04 ` boyd, rounin
@ 2004-02-10 0:48 ` bs
2004-02-10 0:57 ` boyd, rounin
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From: bs @ 2004-02-10 0:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
boyd, rounin wrote:
>>for clarity, i'm refering to the network, not the phones. they
>>have a derivative of one of the "main" networks (pretty sure
>>it's GSM) that just isn't compatable with the one used in the
>>rest of the world.
>
>
> there are 3 GSM nets:
>
> 900Mhz GSM [standard]
> DCS 1800Mhz [GSM-ish]
> 1900Mhz GSM [US]
>
and 800(850 actually) used by Cingular & AT&T for transition
from TDMA
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* Re: [9fans] wireless/cellular connectivity?
2004-02-09 9:34 ` a
2004-02-09 10:04 ` boyd, rounin
@ 2004-02-09 10:05 ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-10 0:58 ` Kenji Okamoto
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From: boyd, rounin @ 2004-02-09 10:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> GB (where i am now, for some months) in between.
GSM + DCS 1800
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* Re: [9fans] wireless/cellular connectivity?
2004-02-09 9:34 ` a
2004-02-09 10:04 ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-09 10:05 ` boyd, rounin
@ 2004-02-10 0:58 ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-02-10 1:03 ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-10 1:32 ` Charles Forsyth
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From: Kenji Okamoto @ 2004-02-10 0:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> for clarity, i'm refering to the network, not the phones. they
> have a derivative of one of the "main" networks (pretty sure
> it's GSM) that just isn't compatable with the one used in the
> rest of the world. thus most japanese phones are useless
> elsewhere in the world.
There is a company named J-Phone, spread around Kansai
area (including Osaka) uses that compatible cellular phone, I've
heard. That is a branch company of Boderphone(Spell?).
I'm not a cell phone user, because I hate it. I don't want to be
called when I'm in my personal time. ☺
Kenji
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* Re: [9fans] wireless/cellular connectivity?
2004-02-10 0:58 ` Kenji Okamoto
@ 2004-02-10 1:03 ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-10 1:32 ` Charles Forsyth
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From: boyd, rounin @ 2004-02-10 1:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> I'm not a cell phone user, because I hate it. I don't want to be
> called when I'm in my personal time. ☺
some phones have allow groups. unfortunately, i haven't seen
any with deny groups. i just get caller id to sort 'em out and
voice mail to clean 'em up.
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* Re: [9fans] wireless/cellular connectivity?
2004-02-10 0:58 ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-02-10 1:03 ` boyd, rounin
@ 2004-02-10 1:32 ` Charles Forsyth
2004-02-10 1:35 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
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From: Charles Forsyth @ 2004-02-10 1:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
>>I'm not a cell phone user, because I hate it. I don't want to be
>>called when I'm in my personal time. ☺
>>Kenji
well done, kenji!
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* Re: [9fans] wireless/cellular connectivity?
2004-02-10 1:32 ` Charles Forsyth
@ 2004-02-10 1:35 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2004-02-10 2:06 ` Kenji Okamoto
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From: Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2004-02-10 1:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
--On 2004-2-10 1:32 AM +0000 Charles Forsyth <forsyth@terzarima.net>
wrote:
>>> I'm not a cell phone user, because I hate it. I don't want to be
>>> called when I'm in my personal time. ?
Is your cell phone's off button broken?
The off button on my cell phone works just fine, and quite frequently.
And except for the last few weeks while I've been working on my boat
(and had a landline pulled in to get DSL) my cell phone is my *only*
phone.)
--lyndon
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* Re: [9fans] wireless/cellular connectivity?
2004-02-10 1:35 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
@ 2004-02-10 2:06 ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-02-10 2:33 ` Kenji Okamoto
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From: Kenji Okamoto @ 2004-02-10 2:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> Is your cell phone's off button broken?
Probably, it's concerns what kind of life style does one
want, I think. I feel something awe in such 'convenient'
life style... I may be a strange man in the present world though.
Kenji
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* Re: [9fans] wireless/cellular connectivity?
2004-02-10 2:06 ` Kenji Okamoto
@ 2004-02-10 2:33 ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-02-10 2:38 ` David Presotto
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From: Kenji Okamoto @ 2004-02-10 2:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> Probably, it's concerns what kind of life style does one
> want, I think. I feel something awe in such 'convenient'
> life style... I may be a strange man in the present world though.
I should have been more specific.
I see many girls, especially, are playing with cellular phone,
writing short mails and games and reading some web pages
in _the train_. I don't like such kind of life style myself.
Kenji
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2004-02-10 2:33 ` Kenji Okamoto
@ 2004-02-10 2:38 ` David Presotto
2004-02-10 2:45 ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-02-10 2:43 ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-10 3:11 ` ron minnich
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From: David Presotto @ 2004-02-10 2:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
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Get their numbers...
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From: Kenji Okamoto <okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] wireless/cellular connectivity?
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:33:35 +0900
Message-ID: <c1ab110d01747ef33f245c549c61d433@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp>
> Probably, it's concerns what kind of life style does one
> want, I think. I feel something awe in such 'convenient'
> life style... I may be a strange man in the present world though.
I should have been more specific.
I see many girls, especially, are playing with cellular phone,
writing short mails and games and reading some web pages
in _the train_. I don't like such kind of life style myself.
Kenji
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* Re: [9fans] wireless/cellular connectivity?
2004-02-10 2:33 ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-02-10 2:38 ` David Presotto
@ 2004-02-10 2:43 ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-10 3:11 ` ron minnich
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From: boyd, rounin @ 2004-02-10 2:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> I see many girls, especially, are playing with cellular phone,
> writing short mails and games and reading some web pages
> in _the train_. I don't like such kind of life style myself.
nope. i just have one to be contacted just about anywhere,
to save buying an answering machine, say where _are_ you
and to call in the dust off ...
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* Re: [9fans] wireless/cellular connectivity?
2004-02-10 2:33 ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-02-10 2:38 ` David Presotto
2004-02-10 2:43 ` boyd, rounin
@ 2004-02-10 3:11 ` ron minnich
2004-02-10 3:21 ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-02-10 3:23 ` boyd, rounin
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From: ron minnich @ 2004-02-10 3:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Kenji Okamoto wrote:
> I should have been more specific.
> I see many girls, especially, are playing with cellular phone,
> writing short mails and games and reading some web pages
> in _the train_. I don't like such kind of life style myself.
Tell them you're a Plan 9 guy and I guarantee they'll turn those phones
off and turn their attention to you.
ron
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* Re: [9fans] wireless/cellular connectivity?
2004-02-10 3:11 ` ron minnich
@ 2004-02-10 3:21 ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-02-10 3:23 ` boyd, rounin
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From: Kenji Okamoto @ 2004-02-10 3:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> Tell them you're a Plan 9 guy and I guarantee they'll turn those phones
> off and turn their attention to you.
I have experiences to explain what is Plan 9 to ones who
don't like to know. It was a most hard thing, and gave up.
I saw a girl is playing Tetris on her celluar phone.
In this case, I was surprised. Hmmm, girls can be a tetris
fans, too.
Kenji
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* Re: [9fans] wireless/cellular connectivity?
2004-02-10 3:11 ` ron minnich
2004-02-10 3:21 ` Kenji Okamoto
@ 2004-02-10 3:23 ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-10 4:46 ` 9nut
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From: boyd, rounin @ 2004-02-10 3:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> Tell them you're a Plan 9 guy and I guarantee they'll turn those phones
> off and turn their attention to you.
get a Glenda t-shirt. they'll think she's cute ;)
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* Re: [9fans] wireless/cellular connectivity?
2004-02-10 3:23 ` boyd, rounin
@ 2004-02-10 4:46 ` 9nut
2004-02-10 3:47 ` George Michaelson
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From: 9nut @ 2004-02-10 4:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
>> Tell them you're a Plan 9 guy and I guarantee they'll turn those phones
>> off and turn their attention to you.
>
> get a Glenda t-shirt. they'll think she's cute ;)
Also, another thread today seems to suggest that librarians are
susceptible to Plan9 prowess and paraphernalia. If you find a
librarian playing tetris on her phone, you should make your move.
☺
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* Re: [9fans] wireless/cellular connectivity?
2004-02-10 4:46 ` 9nut
@ 2004-02-10 3:47 ` George Michaelson
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From: George Michaelson @ 2004-02-10 3:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 20:46:04 -0800 9nut@9netics.com wrote:
>>> Tell them you're a Plan 9 guy and I guarantee they'll turn those phones
>>> off and turn their attention to you.
>>
>> get a Glenda t-shirt. they'll think she's cute ;)
>
>Also, another thread today seems to suggest that librarians are
>susceptible to Plan9 prowess and paraphernalia. If you find a
>librarian playing tetris on her phone, you should make your move.
>___
My wife can get a three-stage rocket on the gameboy tetris with hiscore over
250,000 -But I'd rather you didn't make your move while I'm still here...
Still, she's a former bookseller not a librarian. So maybe the affinities are
different.
-George
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