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From: "ron minnich" <rminnich@gmail.com>
To: weigelt@metux.de,
	"Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil
Date: Thu,  6 Mar 2008 10:50:49 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13426df10803061050t72f178d2wecae068942903dcd@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080306061637.GC18329@nibiru.local>

On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Enrico Weigelt <weigelt@metux.de> wrote:
> * Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
>  > it's even sillier, if everyone bought 1,000,000 times as many tickets
>  > guess how that would change the probabilities. not at all!
>
>  The main problem is: statistics is not reliable.

baloney. Statistics are quite reliable. It's why your computers work
at all. They are statistical beasts, with quantifiable uncertainty.
You don't get certainty, you get dialed-in uncertainty.

It's just that the engineering is so good you've fooled yourself into
thinking it's certain.

Think about this. You can warm up some CPUs to a point at which they will:
- transparently corrupt floating point computations
- not be warm enough to trigger the "I'm too hot" fault

Think about this: the probability of a perfectly bad packet getting
through a network layer with no detected error is non-zero.

Think about the bit error rate of disks -- it's non zero. But you
trust them for some reason, and you don't trust venti?

OK, why is that? If you understand that you might start to understand
why Venti is better than you know.

In any event, if you are going to try to make statistical arguments,
move away from anecdotal conjectures such as "my cousin bought a
lottery ticket on the same day I got hit by lightning" and move into
the math. That's what the tools are for, so use them :-)

ron


  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-06 18:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-05  4:00 Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-05  4:11 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-03-05  4:43   ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-05  5:09     ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-03-05  5:52   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-05  6:24     ` geoff
2008-03-05  6:35     ` Taj Khattra
     [not found]     ` <7f575fa27b41329b9ae24f40e6e5a3cd@plan9.bell-labs.com>
2008-03-06  4:04       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-06  4:13         ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-06  4:15         ` andrey mirtchovski
2008-03-06  4:31           ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-06  6:16             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-06 18:50               ` ron minnich [this message]
2008-03-06 19:43                 ` Charles Forsyth
2008-03-06 19:45               ` Paul Lalonde
2008-03-06 20:18                 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-06 21:39                   ` Paul Lalonde
2008-03-08  9:06                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-06 22:10                   ` Martin Harriss
2008-03-06  6:40           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-06 14:35             ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-06 14:58             ` Tom Lieber
2008-03-06 15:09             ` Charles Forsyth
2008-03-06 17:09               ` Robert Raschke
2008-03-10 10:19               ` sqweek
2008-03-10 12:29                 ` Gorka Guardiola
2008-03-10 13:20                 ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-10 19:00                   ` Wes Kussmaul
2008-03-10 19:27                     ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-10 20:55                       ` Bakul Shah
2008-03-11  2:04                       ` Wes Kussmaul
2008-03-11  2:10                         ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-11  6:03                           ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-10 16:18                 ` Russ Cox
2008-03-10 18:06                   ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-10 18:31                     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-03-10 18:40                       ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-10 18:46                     ` Geoffrey Avila
2008-03-10 20:28                       ` Charles Forsyth
2008-03-10 21:35                     ` Charles Forsyth
2008-03-06  9:54           ` Wilhelm B. Kloke
2008-03-08  9:37             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-08  9:57               ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-08 10:46               ` Charles Forsyth
2008-03-08 15:37               ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-06  4:40         ` cummij
2008-03-06  5:15           ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-06  5:40         ` Uriel
2008-03-06  5:55           ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-11 18:34             ` Uriel
2008-03-06 12:26           ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-05  5:04 ` geoff
2008-03-05  8:43 ` Charles Forsyth
2008-03-05  9:05   ` Gorka Guardiola
2008-03-05 14:33 ` Russ Cox
2008-03-06 12:39   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-06 16:58     ` Russ Cox
2008-03-06 18:16       ` andrey mirtchovski
     [not found] ` <a553f487750f88281db1cce3378577c7@terzarima.net>
2008-03-06  5:38   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-06  9:44     ` Joel C. Salomon
2008-03-05 14:03 erik quanstrom
2008-03-05 16:00 ` Russ Cox
2008-03-06 19:09 Brian L. Stuart
2008-03-06 19:50 ` Charles Forsyth
2015-04-21 18:30 hruodr
2015-04-21 19:46 ` Russ Cox
2015-04-23  7:21 hruodr

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