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From: "Wilhelm B. Kloke" <wb@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil
Date: Thu,  6 Mar 2008 09:54:26 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <slrnfsv828.1kec.wb@vestein.arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <14ec7b180803052015k6957e809p7c58dfa03545e026@mail.gmail.com>

andrey mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com> schrieb:
>>  Well, cracking the lottery jackpot happens quite often (if people
>>  would buy as many lotter tickets as we've got disitinct data
>>  blocks as we have in larger data storages or network traffic
>>  over several years, it would happen very regularily).
>
> i think what you fail to take into consideration is the fact, that
> even if the chance of a collision may be relatively high by your
> standards, the chance that the colliding blocks have data of any
> significance is very, very low. i.e., the algorithm for figuring out
> whether a hash collision will be important to you personally belongs
> to EXPSPACE, which, we all know, is filled with pr0n anyways.

This analysis is not entirely correct. The fact that SHA1 is a very
interesting target for a thorough search for possible collisions
makes it a lot more likely that such a collision will be found.
After this fact the colliding block is itself very interesting,
aand it is also very likely that theis block will be stored and archived
just for this reason.

In practice though, a filesystem relying on venti could just
change the block boundaries for this case or choose some other
escape from needing to store these special blocks.
--
Dipl.-Math. Wilhelm Bernhard Kloke
Institut fuer Arbeitsphysiologie an der Universitaet Dortmund
Ardeystrasse 67, D-44139 Dortmund, Tel. 0231-1084-257
PGP: http://vestein.arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de/~wb/mypublic.key


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-03-06  9:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-05  4:00 Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-05  4:11 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-03-05  4:43   ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-05  5:09     ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-03-05  5:52   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-05  6:24     ` geoff
2008-03-05  6:35     ` Taj Khattra
     [not found]     ` <7f575fa27b41329b9ae24f40e6e5a3cd@plan9.bell-labs.com>
2008-03-06  4:04       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-06  4:13         ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-06  4:15         ` andrey mirtchovski
2008-03-06  4:31           ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-06  6:16             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-06 18:50               ` ron minnich
2008-03-06 19:43                 ` Charles Forsyth
2008-03-06 19:45               ` Paul Lalonde
2008-03-06 20:18                 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-06 21:39                   ` Paul Lalonde
2008-03-08  9:06                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-06 22:10                   ` Martin Harriss
2008-03-06  6:40           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-06 14:35             ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-06 14:58             ` Tom Lieber
2008-03-06 15:09             ` Charles Forsyth
2008-03-06 17:09               ` Robert Raschke
2008-03-10 10:19               ` sqweek
2008-03-10 12:29                 ` Gorka Guardiola
2008-03-10 13:20                 ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-10 19:00                   ` Wes Kussmaul
2008-03-10 19:27                     ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-10 20:55                       ` Bakul Shah
2008-03-11  2:04                       ` Wes Kussmaul
2008-03-11  2:10                         ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-11  6:03                           ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-10 16:18                 ` Russ Cox
2008-03-10 18:06                   ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-10 18:31                     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-03-10 18:40                       ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-10 18:46                     ` Geoffrey Avila
2008-03-10 20:28                       ` Charles Forsyth
2008-03-10 21:35                     ` Charles Forsyth
2008-03-06  9:54           ` Wilhelm B. Kloke [this message]
2008-03-08  9:37             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-08  9:57               ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-08 10:46               ` Charles Forsyth
2008-03-08 15:37               ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-06  4:40         ` cummij
2008-03-06  5:15           ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-06  5:40         ` Uriel
2008-03-06  5:55           ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-11 18:34             ` Uriel
2008-03-06 12:26           ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-05  5:04 ` geoff
2008-03-05  8:43 ` Charles Forsyth
2008-03-05  9:05   ` Gorka Guardiola
2008-03-05 14:33 ` Russ Cox
2008-03-06 12:39   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-06 16:58     ` Russ Cox
2008-03-06 18:16       ` andrey mirtchovski
     [not found] ` <a553f487750f88281db1cce3378577c7@terzarima.net>
2008-03-06  5:38   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-06  9:44     ` Joel C. Salomon
2008-03-05 14:03 erik quanstrom
2008-03-05 16:00 ` Russ Cox
2008-03-06 19:09 Brian L. Stuart
2008-03-06 19:50 ` Charles Forsyth
2015-04-21 18:30 hruodr
2015-04-21 19:46 ` Russ Cox
2015-04-23  7:21 hruodr

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