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From: Steve Kilbane <steve@whitecrow.demon.co.uk>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: Future of Plan9
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 00:04:11 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200012220004.AAA17449@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:45:16 GMT." <91s9u5$hq7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>

vecera wrote:
> Acme without graphics can offer simply text menu and nothing else.

Actually, no: it doesn't offer menus. It offers text.

> How will you solve case when you need choose between more choices
> (radio buttons) or when you need ask for a value, string... or create
> check box, list box?

Like I said: people want the behaviour they're used to, and tend not
to think about the functionality they need. With acme, all the text
is "live", and merely clicking on can do something. Want more choices?
Type them into the window. Want to enter a value? Type it into the window.
See where we're going here?

> Take some bigger app (f.e. Netscape) and thing out how could you make
> his menu and control in acme...

No. Definitely not. Don't take any app. Take functionality: fetching
pages from a web server. Rendering HTML and other formats. Following
a URL. These are different actions, and there's been discussion here
about how they could be done in a way that makes good use of Plan 9.
Just bundling everything into a single program because that's what's
gone before isn't learning anything, and isn't advancing the state
of the art.

> I very like things simple and minimized but this should not _limit_ you.

Indeed not. It's one's imagination that limits one. Plan 9 is the only
OS I've seen where "failure of vision" is listed under the BUGS section
of the manual page.

steve




  reply	other threads:[~2000-12-22  0:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-12-13 10:49 [9fans] " Stephen Adam
2000-12-14  9:49 ` [9fans] " Deztroyer-a1
2000-12-14 12:05   ` Boyd Roberts
2000-12-19  9:57   ` Randolph Fritz
2000-12-19 16:07     ` vecera
2000-12-20  0:58       ` Steve Kilbane
2000-12-20 18:59         ` William Staniewicz
2000-12-21  9:44           ` Alexander C. Deztroyer
2000-12-21 18:27             ` Andrew Zubinski
2000-12-21  9:45         ` vecera
2000-12-22  0:04           ` Steve Kilbane [this message]
2000-12-20  9:59       ` Alexander C. Deztroyer
2000-12-20 10:00       ` Patrick R. Wade
2000-12-20  9:59     ` Alexander C. Deztroyer
2000-12-19 10:48 forsyth
2000-12-21 17:46 anothy
2000-12-23 13:21 ` Steve Kilbane
2000-12-24  1:21   ` Boyd Roberts
2001-01-02 17:52     ` Chris Locke
2000-12-21 18:25 forsyth
2000-12-21 18:30 Russ Cox
2000-12-21 18:33 ` matt
2000-12-21 19:20 forsyth
2000-12-22  9:20 ` cLIeNUX user
2000-12-21 19:21 forsyth
2000-12-21 20:48 ` matt
2000-12-22 11:32 forsyth
2001-01-02 17:24 ` cLIeNUX user
2000-12-22 14:00 forsyth
2000-12-22 22:13 ` Boyd Roberts
2000-12-23 14:40 rob pike
2000-12-24  1:51 Russ Cox
2000-12-24  1:55 ` Boyd Roberts
2000-12-24  2:03 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-01-02 16:51 ` Dan Cross
2000-12-24  2:11 Russ Cox
2000-12-24  2:18 ` Boyd Roberts
2000-12-24 15:46   ` matt heath
2000-12-25  5:47 ` Anthony Starks
2001-01-02 17:36 ` Randolph Fritz
2001-01-02 17:36 ` cLIeNUX user
2001-01-02 17:42 ` Anssi Porttikivi
2001-01-03  1:19 William Staniewicz
2001-01-02 22:43 ` matt heath
2001-01-08  9:54 ` Ross Evans
2003-02-10 17:01 [9fans] " Jaytee
2003-02-11  9:30 ` [9fans] " Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-02-11 13:06   ` Jim Choate
2003-02-11 13:19     ` Russ Cox
2003-02-11 13:32       ` Jim Choate
2003-02-11 14:11     ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2003-02-12  4:31       ` Jim Choate
2003-02-12  5:12         ` Andrew
2003-02-12 10:34         ` matt
2003-02-12 11:46           ` Digby Tarvin
2003-02-12 17:17         ` Sam
2003-02-12 20:58           ` adrian Damn it !
2003-02-12 21:00             ` Matt Keeler
2003-02-11 14:35     ` Ronald G. Minnich
2003-02-11 16:04     ` Dan Cross
2003-02-11 17:05       ` matt
2003-02-12  9:52     ` ozan s yigit
2003-02-12 18:23   ` north_
2003-02-11 15:01 bwc
2003-02-12  0:42 okamoto
2003-02-12 21:10 bwc

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