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From: Lucio De Re <lucio@proxima.alt.za>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] blanks in file names
Date: Thu,  4 Jul 2002 09:39:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020704093955.L6107@cackle.proxima.alt.za> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8c75ad56989c77def4ecb7b1f7cdb273@caldo.demon.co.uk>; from forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk on Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 07:34:25AM +0100

On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 07:34:25AM +0100, forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk wrote:
> 
> the problem rob alluded to, by analogy with NAT, should not
> arise within the Plan 9 system.  for instance, if i have a file
> of file names, can i read it in and be sure to access those names?
> if space is _ and _ is `boo!' it's anyone's guess.
> 
I think we're going somewhere <grin>

We already have shims between the conventional Plan 9 filesystem
and foreign ones.  These are our declared boundaries and it is
fairly clear what translations are required at each of these
boundaries.

It seems to me that Nemo is - perhaps unintentionally, certainly
not in an explicit fashion - creating an inner boundary that declares
the core of Plan 9 much more liberal and a shim is therefore
necessary so that the existing legacy applications can interact
with it.

I would vote for such a feature.  The kernel and 9P would be freed
of filename shackles, the shim would apply the existing rules.
Imagine, for example, a shim that would enable a 2nd Edition
application to access the 4th Edition filesystem.  Mapping filenames
to unique 27-character UTF8 strings with certain restrictions should
be possible through such a shim.

Even the choice of delimiter between path components would be
available to those willing to produce the necessary shim.

++L

PS: while checking the above, I was wondering where %q belongs in
that model.  I would think the shim must somehow provide the actual
quote and dequote operations.  Hm, maybe such a shim can also add
descriptive names and, shudder, access control lists in a Plan 9
friendly form.


  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-04  7:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-04  6:34 forsyth
2002-07-04  7:39 ` Lucio De Re [this message]
2002-07-04  9:32   ` Nikolai SAOUKH
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-07-15  4:03 Geoff Collyer
2002-07-15 14:53 ` Jack Johnson
2002-07-21 19:52   ` Dave
2002-07-21 19:47 ` Dave
2002-07-14 18:28 rob pike, esq.
2002-07-11 23:56 okamoto
2002-07-11  8:39 Geoff Collyer
2002-07-14 18:13 ` Dave
2002-07-11  5:50 okamoto
2002-07-11  1:41 anothy
     [not found] ` <"anothy@cosym.net"@Jul>
2002-07-11  6:47   ` Dave
2002-07-10 18:27 David Gordon Hogan
2002-07-10 20:56 ` arisawa
2002-07-10  8:00 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-09  7:54 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-09  1:08 okamoto
2002-07-08 23:19 David Gordon Hogan
2002-07-08 23:30 ` Dave
2002-07-08 20:22 rob pike, esq.
2002-07-08 21:21 ` Dave
2002-07-08 23:27   ` Dan Cross
2002-07-08 23:30     ` Dan Cross
2002-07-08 12:18 forsyth
     [not found] ` <"forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk"@Jul>
2002-07-08 20:42   ` Dave
2002-07-08  8:59 Fco.J.Ballesteros
     [not found] ` <Fco.J.Ballesteros@Jul>
2002-07-08 20:18   ` Dave
2002-07-09 15:23   ` Dave
2002-07-10 16:02   ` Dave
2002-07-10 20:59     ` FJ Ballesteros
2002-07-10 21:51       ` Dave
2002-07-10 22:22         ` Dan Cross
2002-07-10 23:01           ` Dave
2002-07-11  2:00             ` Dan Cross
2002-07-11  6:14               ` Dave
2002-07-11  6:38                 ` Lucio De Re
2002-07-14 18:00                   ` Dave
2002-07-11 13:14                 ` arisawa
2002-07-12 12:28                   ` arisawa
2002-07-11 16:23                 ` Dan Cross
2002-07-11 10:43             ` Ish Rattan
2002-07-14 18:49               ` Dave
2002-07-08  0:38 Scott Schwartz
2002-07-07  5:59 Geoff Collyer
2002-07-05 19:21 David Gordon Hogan
2002-07-05 19:52 ` Jim Choate
2002-07-05 20:10 ` Mark Bitting
2002-07-05 18:26 Sape Mullender
2002-07-05 18:23 David Gordon Hogan
2002-07-05  1:21 okamoto
     [not found] <20020703160003.27491.58783.Mailman@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu>
2002-07-04 23:35 ` Andrew Simmons
2002-07-04 22:42   ` Sam
2002-07-04 22:44     ` Sam
2002-07-08 16:14   ` ozan s yigit
2002-07-04 12:26 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-04 12:20 forsyth
2002-07-04 11:37 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-04 11:36 rog
2002-07-04  9:50 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-04  9:41 forsyth
2002-07-04  8:31 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-04  8:22 forsyth
2002-07-04  7:53 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-04  7:47 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-03  8:00 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-03 12:00 ` Lucio De Re
2002-07-03 19:39   ` rob pike, esq.
2002-07-07  4:02     ` Dave
2002-07-07  5:17       ` arisawa
     [not found]         ` <"arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp"@Jul>
2002-07-07  5:38           ` Dave
2002-07-07  6:04             ` arisawa
2002-07-07  7:16               ` arisawa
2002-07-07 16:11           ` Dave
2002-07-07 16:12           ` Dave
2002-07-10 21:58           ` Dave
2002-07-10 22:38             ` arisawa
2002-07-11  5:10           ` Dave
2002-07-14 18:32           ` Dave
2002-07-14 18:51             ` Jim Choate
2002-07-14 23:27             ` arisawa
2002-07-08  9:48       ` Boyd Roberts
2002-07-08 20:22         ` Dave
2002-07-09  8:24           ` Boyd Roberts
2002-07-09 15:25             ` Dave
2002-07-08 23:05         ` Berry Kercheval
2002-07-02 18:14 rog
2002-07-02 23:08 ` Dan Cross
2002-07-02 11:09 forsyth
2002-07-02 11:53 ` matt
2002-07-02 13:29   ` Boyd Roberts
2002-07-02 14:57     ` FJ Ballesteros
2002-07-02 16:23       ` Lucio De Re
2002-07-03 19:21       ` rob pike, esq.
2002-07-03 14:31         ` FJ Ballesteros
2002-07-02 18:28   ` plan9
2002-07-03 13:54     ` arisawa
2002-07-03 14:24       ` FJ Ballesteros
2002-07-03 19:40       ` rob pike, esq.
2002-07-03 22:10         ` arisawa
2002-07-04  8:30       ` Ralph Corderoy
2002-07-02  9:53 Fco.J.Ballesteros

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