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From: Fco.J.Ballesteros <nemo@plan9.escet.urjc.es>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] blanks in file names
Date: Wed,  3 Jul 2002 10:00:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6b76d268c7227b6451a9cd533b0576a7@plan9.escet.urjc.es> (raw)

rog@vitanuova.com :
:  /sys/src/cmd/dossrv
:  /sys/src/cmd/9660srv
:  /sys/src/cmd/tapefs
:  /sys/src/cmd/unix/u9fs
:  /sys/src/cmd/ftpfs
:  	convert "space char" to/from external actual space on create,
:  	walk, wstat, stat and directory reads.

One crazy idea I had was to do that translation in the mount driver.
That way the server would be happy to think that it uses space, and
the client plan 9 program would be happy to see 00A0 or whatever
without confussion with the space character. 

lucio@proxima.alt.za : 
:  What I'm saying, is that I'd like to target a kernel that is entirely
:  delimiter agnostic and promote each user application in the same
:  direction as a long-term project.  In the interim, constructs that
:  cast delimiters in stone should be removed wherever possible.

IMHO, the problem is mostly the user programs and not the kernel.
AFAIK, the kernel is fine if you don't use / and \0 as delimiters
(which seems reasonable to me, although some guys might want to use it too). 

But the tradition that blanks separate arguments is deeply embedded in
user programs, perhaps most notably the shell.

Assume the kernel has changed to use openv[], what would the shell
do to deal with spaces vs 00A0s ?




             reply	other threads:[~2002-07-03  8:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-03  8:00 Fco.J.Ballesteros [this message]
2002-07-03 12:00 ` Lucio De Re
2002-07-03 19:39   ` rob pike, esq.
2002-07-07  4:02     ` Dave
2002-07-07  5:17       ` arisawa
     [not found]         ` <"arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp"@Jul>
2002-07-07  5:38           ` Dave
2002-07-07  6:04             ` arisawa
2002-07-07  7:16               ` arisawa
2002-07-07 16:11           ` Dave
2002-07-07 16:12           ` Dave
2002-07-09 15:31           ` [9fans] acme question + diffs for kfs, fs and plumbing Dave
2002-07-09 22:15             ` arisawa
2002-07-10 21:58           ` [9fans] blanks in file names Dave
2002-07-10 22:38             ` arisawa
2002-07-10 22:42             ` [9fans] " Jim Choate
2002-07-11  5:08               ` Dave
2002-07-11  5:10           ` [9fans] " Dave
2002-07-14 18:32           ` Dave
2002-07-14 18:51             ` Jim Choate
2002-07-14 23:27             ` arisawa
2002-07-08  9:48       ` Boyd Roberts
2002-07-08 20:22         ` Dave
2002-07-09  8:24           ` Boyd Roberts
2002-07-09 15:25             ` Dave
2002-07-08 23:05         ` Berry Kercheval
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-07-15  4:03 Geoff Collyer
2002-07-15 14:53 ` Jack Johnson
2002-07-21 19:52   ` Dave
2002-07-21 19:47 ` Dave
2002-07-14 18:28 rob pike, esq.
2002-07-11 23:56 okamoto
2002-07-11  8:39 Geoff Collyer
2002-07-14 18:13 ` Dave
2002-07-11  5:50 okamoto
2002-07-11  1:41 anothy
     [not found] ` <"anothy@cosym.net"@Jul>
2002-07-11  6:47   ` Dave
2002-07-10 18:27 David Gordon Hogan
2002-07-10 20:56 ` arisawa
2002-07-10  8:00 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-10  7:57 [9fans] acme question + diffs for kfs, fs and plumbing Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-09  8:42 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-09  9:28 ` Lucio De Re
2002-07-09 11:23   ` andrey mirtchovski
2002-07-09 12:05     ` matt
2002-07-09  7:54 [9fans] blanks in file names Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-09  7:50 [9fans] acme question + diffs for kfs, fs and plumbing Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-09  8:15 ` Lucio De Re
2002-07-09  8:42   ` arisawa
2002-07-09  9:21     ` Lucio De Re
2002-07-09  9:43       ` arisawa
2002-07-09 10:36         ` Lucio De Re
2002-07-09 10:54           ` matt
2002-07-09 11:01             ` Liberating the filename (Was: [9fans] acme question + diffs for kfs, fs and plumbing) Lucio De Re
2002-07-09 11:07               ` arisawa
2002-07-11 14:57                 ` Liberating the filename (Was: [9fans] acme question + diffs forkfs, Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-07-09  8:22 ` [9fans] acme question + diffs for kfs, fs and plumbing arisawa
2002-07-09  1:08 [9fans] blanks in file names okamoto
2002-07-08 23:19 David Gordon Hogan
2002-07-08 23:30 ` Dave
2002-07-08 20:22 rob pike, esq.
2002-07-08 21:21 ` Dave
2002-07-08 23:27   ` Dan Cross
2002-07-08 23:30     ` Dan Cross
2002-07-08 12:18 forsyth
     [not found] ` <"forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk"@Jul>
2002-07-08 20:42   ` Dave
2002-07-08  8:59 Fco.J.Ballesteros
     [not found] ` <Fco.J.Ballesteros@Jul>
2002-07-08 20:18   ` Dave
2002-07-09 15:23   ` Dave
2002-07-09 15:29   ` [9fans] acme question + diffs for kfs, fs and plumbing Dave
2002-07-10 15:57   ` Dave
2002-07-10 16:02   ` [9fans] blanks in file names Dave
2002-07-10 20:59     ` FJ Ballesteros
2002-07-10 21:51       ` Dave
2002-07-10 22:22         ` Dan Cross
2002-07-10 23:01           ` Dave
2002-07-11  2:00             ` Dan Cross
2002-07-11  6:14               ` Dave
2002-07-11  6:38                 ` Lucio De Re
2002-07-14 18:00                   ` Dave
2002-07-11 13:14                 ` arisawa
2002-07-12 12:28                   ` arisawa
2002-07-11 16:23                 ` Dan Cross
2002-07-11 10:43             ` Ish Rattan
2002-07-14 18:49               ` Dave
2002-07-08  0:38 Scott Schwartz
2002-07-07  5:59 Geoff Collyer
2002-07-05 19:21 David Gordon Hogan
2002-07-05 19:52 ` Jim Choate
2002-07-05 20:10 ` Mark Bitting
2002-07-05 18:26 Sape Mullender
2002-07-05 18:23 David Gordon Hogan
2002-07-05  1:21 okamoto
     [not found] <20020703160003.27491.58783.Mailman@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu>
2002-07-04 23:35 ` Andrew Simmons
2002-07-04 22:42   ` Sam
2002-07-04 22:44     ` Sam
2002-07-08 16:14   ` ozan s yigit
2002-07-04 12:26 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-04 12:20 forsyth
2002-07-04 11:37 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-04 11:36 rog
2002-07-04  9:50 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-04  9:41 forsyth
2002-07-04  8:31 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-04  8:22 forsyth
2002-07-04  7:53 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-04  7:47 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-04  6:34 forsyth
2002-07-04  7:39 ` Lucio De Re
2002-07-04  9:32   ` Nikolai SAOUKH
2002-07-02 18:14 rog
2002-07-02 23:08 ` Dan Cross
2002-07-02 11:09 forsyth
2002-07-02 11:53 ` matt
2002-07-02 13:29   ` Boyd Roberts
2002-07-02 14:57     ` FJ Ballesteros
2002-07-02 16:23       ` Lucio De Re
2002-07-03 19:21       ` rob pike, esq.
2002-07-03 14:31         ` FJ Ballesteros
2002-07-02 18:28   ` plan9
2002-07-03 13:54     ` arisawa
2002-07-03 14:24       ` FJ Ballesteros
2002-07-03 19:40       ` rob pike, esq.
2002-07-03 22:10         ` arisawa
2002-07-04  8:30       ` Ralph Corderoy
2002-07-02  9:53 Fco.J.Ballesteros

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