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From: Geoff Collyer <geoff@collyer.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] blanks in file names
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:03:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <61fc59076e43ac52fe96127834dadbe8@collyer.net> (raw)

My apologies for dragging this out, but I think this gets to the heart
of the matter.

The cost of strlen doesn't matter, it really doesn't matter.  I can't
recall seeing a real-life program where the cost of strlen was more
than trivia.

A quick comparison on Plan 9 shows that strlen runs at 19 times the
speed of DES, using the same 64-byte string as input each time, which
is almost certainly longer than the average string.  DES is really
slow, by design; it's not just a question of a few more memory
accesses; it's just hard to do the bit-swizzling quickly in software
(though it can be done relatively quickly in hardware).

One of the big achievements of Unix was to get people to stop worrying
about the microseconds and look at the slightly larger picture of what
could be done if your first concern were not microseconds, and that
was a quarter-century ago!  With processor cycles being so cheap and
available now, it's generally not worth worrying about expenses until
they cause a real (measurable, reproducible) problem.  Proposals based
on supposedly greater efficiency for a new open(2) interface are not
worth considering, particularly when open's efficiency isn't currently
a problem, and the new interface is ugly, incompatible with the
existing clean and simple one, and purports to solve non-problems like
allowing NUL and slash in file name components.


One downside of APE is that it's made some people think of Plan 9 as
Just Another Goddamned Unix Implementation.  If you're not interested
in exploring what's new in Plan 9, and are offended that realloc isn't
provably optimal or that GNU configure doesn't just run out the box,
why are you using Plan 9?  FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD and Linux are all
available at no monetary cost.



             reply	other threads:[~2002-07-15  4:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-15  4:03 Geoff Collyer [this message]
2002-07-15 14:53 ` Jack Johnson
2002-07-21 19:52   ` Dave
2002-07-21 19:47 ` Dave
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-07-14 18:28 rob pike, esq.
2002-07-11 23:56 okamoto
2002-07-11  8:39 Geoff Collyer
2002-07-14 18:13 ` Dave
2002-07-11  5:50 okamoto
2002-07-11  1:41 anothy
     [not found] ` <"anothy@cosym.net"@Jul>
2002-07-11  6:47   ` Dave
2002-07-10 18:27 David Gordon Hogan
2002-07-10 20:56 ` arisawa
2002-07-10  8:00 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-09  7:54 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-09  1:08 okamoto
2002-07-08 23:19 David Gordon Hogan
2002-07-08 23:30 ` Dave
2002-07-08 20:22 rob pike, esq.
2002-07-08 21:21 ` Dave
2002-07-08 23:27   ` Dan Cross
2002-07-08 23:30     ` Dan Cross
2002-07-08 12:18 forsyth
     [not found] ` <"forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk"@Jul>
2002-07-08 20:42   ` Dave
2002-07-08  8:59 Fco.J.Ballesteros
     [not found] ` <Fco.J.Ballesteros@Jul>
2002-07-08 20:18   ` Dave
2002-07-09 15:23   ` Dave
2002-07-10 16:02   ` Dave
2002-07-10 20:59     ` FJ Ballesteros
2002-07-10 21:51       ` Dave
2002-07-10 22:22         ` Dan Cross
2002-07-10 23:01           ` Dave
2002-07-11  2:00             ` Dan Cross
2002-07-11  6:14               ` Dave
2002-07-11  6:38                 ` Lucio De Re
2002-07-14 18:00                   ` Dave
2002-07-11 13:14                 ` arisawa
2002-07-12 12:28                   ` arisawa
2002-07-11 16:23                 ` Dan Cross
2002-07-11 10:43             ` Ish Rattan
2002-07-14 18:49               ` Dave
2002-07-08  0:38 Scott Schwartz
2002-07-07  5:59 Geoff Collyer
2002-07-05 19:21 David Gordon Hogan
2002-07-05 19:52 ` Jim Choate
2002-07-05 20:10 ` Mark Bitting
2002-07-05 18:26 Sape Mullender
2002-07-05 18:23 David Gordon Hogan
2002-07-05  1:21 okamoto
     [not found] <20020703160003.27491.58783.Mailman@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu>
2002-07-04 23:35 ` Andrew Simmons
2002-07-04 22:42   ` Sam
2002-07-04 22:44     ` Sam
2002-07-08 16:14   ` ozan s yigit
2002-07-04 12:26 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-04 12:20 forsyth
2002-07-04 11:37 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-04 11:36 rog
2002-07-04  9:50 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-04  9:41 forsyth
2002-07-04  8:31 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-04  8:22 forsyth
2002-07-04  7:53 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-04  7:47 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-04  6:34 forsyth
2002-07-04  7:39 ` Lucio De Re
2002-07-04  9:32   ` Nikolai SAOUKH
2002-07-03  8:00 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-07-03 12:00 ` Lucio De Re
2002-07-03 19:39   ` rob pike, esq.
2002-07-07  4:02     ` Dave
2002-07-07  5:17       ` arisawa
     [not found]         ` <"arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp"@Jul>
2002-07-07  5:38           ` Dave
2002-07-07  6:04             ` arisawa
2002-07-07  7:16               ` arisawa
2002-07-07 16:11           ` Dave
2002-07-07 16:12           ` Dave
2002-07-10 21:58           ` Dave
2002-07-10 22:38             ` arisawa
2002-07-11  5:10           ` Dave
2002-07-14 18:32           ` Dave
2002-07-14 18:51             ` Jim Choate
2002-07-14 23:27             ` arisawa
2002-07-08  9:48       ` Boyd Roberts
2002-07-08 20:22         ` Dave
2002-07-09  8:24           ` Boyd Roberts
2002-07-09 15:25             ` Dave
2002-07-08 23:05         ` Berry Kercheval
2002-07-02 18:14 rog
2002-07-02 23:08 ` Dan Cross
2002-07-02 11:09 forsyth
2002-07-02 11:53 ` matt
2002-07-02 13:29   ` Boyd Roberts
2002-07-02 14:57     ` FJ Ballesteros
2002-07-02 16:23       ` Lucio De Re
2002-07-03 19:21       ` rob pike, esq.
2002-07-03 14:31         ` FJ Ballesteros
2002-07-02 18:28   ` plan9
2002-07-03 13:54     ` arisawa
2002-07-03 14:24       ` FJ Ballesteros
2002-07-03 19:40       ` rob pike, esq.
2002-07-03 22:10         ` arisawa
2002-07-04  8:30       ` Ralph Corderoy
2002-07-02  9:53 Fco.J.Ballesteros

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