[9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong to us" trick

[9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong to us" trick

[matt]

You may have noticed that Verisign has decided to return 69.94.110.11 as the IP for any .com or .net DNS lookup that would otherwise have returned "host not found"

How to people feel about ndb coding round this ?




matt

Re: [9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong to us" trick

[boyd, rounin]

> You may have noticed that Verisign has decided ...

Verisad (sic) are just a disaster.  i have always tried
avoiding them (as much as possible) and doing things
myself (if possible).  they have a tiresome habit of
breaking stuff.

i saw some other DNS weirdness as of yesterday.  it may
not be DNS related (i have side info), but it is very strange.

iirc they are a root CA -- what a foul quasi-monopoly.

Re: [9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong to us" trick

[Lucio De Re]

On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 06:52:20AM -0400, matt@proweb.co.uk wrote:
>
> You may have noticed that Verisign has decided to return 69.94.110.11 as the IP for any .com or .net DNS lookup that would otherwise have returned "host not found"
>
> How to people feel about ndb coding round this ?
>
You mean, removing their root server from the root cache and declaring
the cache static, as it has certainly become?

If the other root servers are not as stupid, we may be able to defeat
their grand plans.

++L

Re: [9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong to us" trick

[Lucio De Re]

On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 12:37:32PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote:
>
> You mean, removing their root server from the root cache and declaring
> the cache static, as it has certainly become?
>
Oops, no, we need to ignore their .COM and .NET nameservers, hoping
that their madness hasn't infected anyone else.

Where's Randy Bush when it's time to wield a large baseball bat?

++L

Re: [9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong to us" trick

[David Presotto]

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I'm actually mailing everyone I know to get it to stop.  Anyone
know the reason for it?  Is verisign incompetent, hacked, or
trying to circumvent something?

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From: matt@proweb.co.uk
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: [9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong to us" trick
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 06:52:20 -0400
Message-ID: <eaccaae6ecaa3c983ee6a921090daac0@juice.thebigchoice.com>

You may have noticed that Verisign has decided to return 69.94.110.11 as the IP for any .com or .net DNS lookup that would otherwise have returned "host not found"

How to people feel about ndb coding round this ?




matt

Re: [9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong to us" trick

[Russ Cox]

David Presotto wrote:

>I'm actually mailing everyone I know to get it to stop.  Anyone
>know the reason for it?  Is verisign incompetent, hacked, or
>trying to circumvent something?
>

it's a top story on google news.  apparently they're
trying to get extra web traffic?

Re: [9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong

[matt]

It's a real swine.

I have  a script that checks submitted email addresses for existing domains, no domain and you can't register in a bid to hopefully catch typos (you should see the number of ways poeple can type hotmail).

Now my check always succeeds and I'm back to square one.

I'm going to check the returned IP but I expect them to change it regularly to defeat such workarounds

m

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Re: [9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong

[paurea]

>  catch typos (you should see the number of ways poeple can type hotmail).
                                                  ↑↑↑↑↑

You should see the number of ways people type people ☺

									Gorka

Re: [9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong

[matt]

hehe in my defence it was word wrapped in Acme

I was looking at it thinking "I'm sure that doesn't look right"

but I'm lazy

Re: [9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong

[northern snowfall]

You could always use the whois information for a given IP, if you're
not positive.

blueberry.north_ % nslookup j8s489s8438s4.net
Server:  water.autumn.net.sc
Address:  1.3.27.2

Name:    j8s489s8438s4.net
Address:  64.94.110.11

blueberry.north_ % whois -h whois.arin.net 64.94.110.11
Internap Network Services PNAP-05-2000 (NET-64-94-0-0-1)
                                  64.94.0.0 - 64.95.255.255
VeriSign/Network Solutions PNAP-LAX-VERISI-RM-13 (NET-64-94-110-0-1)
                                  64.94.110.0 - 64.94.110.255

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2003-09-15 19:15
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
blueberry.north_ %

Don

http://www.7f.no-ip.com/~north_

Soon.

Re: [9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong

[David Presotto]

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Tain't good enough.  The whois database is very flakey.  I've been using it for
plan 9's country check and once you leave arin, you start getting some very odd
stuff.  Like the netherlands claiming the whole address space, bad redirections from
arin to the other db's, ...

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From: northern snowfall <dbailey27@ameritech.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:18:38 -0500
Message-ID: <3F6729CE.7040706@ameritech.net>

You could always use the whois information for a given IP, if you're
not positive.

blueberry.north_ % nslookup j8s489s8438s4.net
Server:  water.autumn.net.sc
Address:  1.3.27.2

Name:    j8s489s8438s4.net
Address:  64.94.110.11

blueberry.north_ % whois -h whois.arin.net 64.94.110.11
Internap Network Services PNAP-05-2000 (NET-64-94-0-0-1)
                                  64.94.0.0 - 64.95.255.255
VeriSign/Network Solutions PNAP-LAX-VERISI-RM-13 (NET-64-94-110-0-1)
                                  64.94.110.0 - 64.94.110.255

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2003-09-15 19:15
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
blueberry.north_ %

Don

http://www.7f.no-ip.com/~north_

Soon.

Re: [9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong

[northern snowfall]

>
>
>The whois database is very flakey.
>
Right, I'm just saying it seems to work for Verisign network
addresses (for the time being).

Don

http://www.7f.no-ip.com/~north_

Soon.

Re: [9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong to us" trick

[Charles Forsyth]

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have they patented it yet?

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From: Russ Cox <rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong to us" trick
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:48:49 -0400
Message-ID: <3F6714C1.3060604@plan9.bell-labs.com>

David Presotto wrote:

>I'm actually mailing everyone I know to get it to stop.  Anyone
>know the reason for it?  Is verisign incompetent, hacked, or
>trying to circumvent something?
>

it's a top story on google news.  apparently they're
trying to get extra web traffic?

Re: [9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong to us" trick

[William Josephson]

On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 08:17:37AM +0100, Charles Forsyth wrote:
> have they patented it yet?

I'm sure they're working on it; in the meantime ISC
promises a BIND patch.

Re: [9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong to us" trick

[Scott Schwartz]

| I'm actually mailing everyone I know to get it to stop.  Anyone
| know the reason for it?  Is verisign incompetent, hacked, or
| trying to circumvent something?

They want to MAKE MONEY FAST by sending all typos their
search engine.

Re: [9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong to us" trick

[Dan Cross]

Scott Schwartz <schwartz@bio.cse.psu.edu> writes:
>
> | I'm actually mailing everyone I know to get it to stop.  Anyone
> | know the reason for it?  Is verisign incompetent, hacked, or
> | trying to circumvent something?
>
> They want to MAKE MONEY FAST by sending all typos their
> search engine.

All your typo are belong to us!

	- Dan C.

Re: [9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong to us" trick

[matt]

> Is verisign incompetent, hacked, or trying to circumvent something?

It is a business model. They return that IP which with a web browser takes you to a verisign web page offering web searches domain registrations.

Re: [9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong to us" trick

[David Presotto]

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All that address ever did for me was send packets into never never land. Guess they
crashed before I ever got to see their web page.

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From: matt@juice.thebigchoice.com
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong to us" trick
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:39:20 -0400
Message-ID: <710509de3c2f084f95a1b4ba8df3d49b@juice.thebigchoice.com>

> Is verisign incompetent, hacked, or trying to circumvent something?

It is a business model. They return that IP which with a web browser takes you to a verisign web page offering web searches domain registrations.

Re: [9fans] Verisign's new "all your unregistered domains belong to us" trick

[Lyndon Nerenberg]

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, David Presotto wrote:

> All that address ever did for me was send packets into never never land.

Some network carriers have installed null routes for that IP address, so
one of your upstream networks could be sending the packets into the black
hole.


--lyndon

She was attracted to me by my intellectual curiosity.
			-- Vice President Dan Quayle, talking about
			   wife Marilyn