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From: Oliver Bandel <oliver@first.in-berlin.de>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] MS Research reinvents Inferno?
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:18:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051213201819.GB593@first.in-berlin.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ee9e417a0512130943i35bfb952q8eece80ff581350@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 12:43:27PM -0500, Russ Cox wrote:
[...] 
> The real new research in Singularity is how far they are pushing
> type information into the deepest reaches of the system.

Maybe adapting OCaml to a F# (but IMHO some M$-people
also work on Haskell(?)) has opened the eyes to
such strong typed languages.


> 
> Some of the kernel core (i.e., the low-level assembly, the garbage
> collector, the debugger) is written in unchecked languages,
> but most of it (including, for example, the scheduler and all the
> device drivers) is written in checked languages.  Safe device drivers
> alone would fix a huge fraction of the Windows crashes.

[...]
> All this is toward the goal of reliability and dependability, as they
> clearly state in the introduction.  Inferno and Plan 9 are reliable
> mainly because they don't have many bugs.  Neither actually
> take steps to providing some form of safety guarantees.
> Plan 9 is running C code, and when Inferno is jitting, it doesn't
> insert bounds checks on array references, so it can crash easily too.

There is a small team of people (or was it a single developer?)
working on a Ocaml-bases OS.
So this means: type checking even inside the OS's kernel.

I lost the URl, but somehwere in my Mailfolders it should be
possible to find... (or google asking?).

Ciao,
   Oliver


  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-12-13 20:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-13  7:02 Skip Tavakkolian
2005-12-13  7:13 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2005-12-13  8:50 ` Oliver Bandel
2005-12-13 15:04   ` Kenneth Long
2005-12-13 12:26 ` Sergey Zhilkin
2005-12-13 16:26   ` LiteStar numnums
2005-12-13 16:30     ` Paul Lalonde
2005-12-13 16:39     ` Brantley Coile
2005-12-13 16:53       ` Charles Forsyth
2005-12-13 17:54       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2005-12-13 16:49     ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-12-13 16:57       ` Lucio De Re
2005-12-13 17:02         ` alexandr babic
2005-12-13 17:43           ` Russ Cox
2005-12-13 17:56             ` Charles Forsyth
2005-12-13 20:19               ` Oliver Bandel
2005-12-13 20:52                 ` David Leimbach
2005-12-14  2:12                   ` Oliver Bandel
2005-12-14  2:19                     ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-12-14 10:02                       ` Richard Miller
2005-12-14  4:01               ` Bruce Ellis
2005-12-13 17:56             ` Charles Forsyth
2005-12-13 18:07               ` alexandr babic
2005-12-14  0:02               ` Steve Simon
2005-12-14  9:42                 ` Richard Miller
2005-12-14 10:09                   ` C H Forsyth
2005-12-13 18:16             ` William Josephson
2005-12-13 20:46               ` David Leimbach
2005-12-13 21:05                 ` Brantley Coile
2005-12-14  2:05                   ` Oliver Bandel
2005-12-13 18:45             ` Brantley Coile
2005-12-13 18:50               ` Russ Cox
2005-12-13 18:55                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-12-13 19:02                   ` Russ Cox
2005-12-14  6:30                     ` Jack Johnson
2005-12-14  7:16                       ` Jack Johnson
2005-12-14 10:07                         ` Richard Miller
2005-12-13 20:49                   ` David Leimbach
2005-12-13 22:09                     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2005-12-13 21:20                       ` LiteStar numnums
2005-12-13 21:54                       ` David Leimbach
2005-12-13 20:18             ` Oliver Bandel [this message]
2005-12-14  5:56             ` Jack Johnson
2005-12-14  6:02               ` Lucio De Re
2005-12-14  9:50                 ` Steve Simon
2005-12-14  6:05               ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-12-14  6:14                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-12-14  9:28                 ` Russ Cox
2005-12-14  7:29               ` Andriy G. Tereshchenko
2005-12-14 14:49               ` Brantley Coile
2005-12-14 10:11             ` Richard Miller
2005-12-14 11:00               ` Russ Cox
2005-12-14 12:47                 ` erik quanstrom
2005-12-14 15:06               ` Brantley Coile
2005-12-14 16:20                 ` C H Forsyth
2005-12-14 22:00                   ` David Leimbach
2005-12-13 17:14       ` David Leimbach
2005-12-13 18:13         ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-12-14  3:05           ` erik quanstrom
2005-12-13 17:43       ` Wes Kussmaul
2005-12-13 18:04       ` Bakul Shah
2005-12-13 18:15         ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-12-13 20:04     ` Oliver Bandel
2005-12-14  5:02     ` Jack Johnson
2005-12-14 12:26       ` LiteStar numnums
     [not found] ` <000401c5ffe3$22447ce0$14aaa8c0@utelsystems.local>
2005-12-13 13:01   ` "Nils O. Selåsdal"
2005-12-13 16:36     ` Charles Forsyth
2005-12-14 15:42 Brian L.Stuart
2005-12-14 16:20 ` Paweł Lasek
2005-12-14 19:14 Brian L.Stuart
2005-12-14 20:06 Brian L.Stuart

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