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From: Bakul Shah <bakul+plan9@BitBlocks.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Van Jacobsen's network stack restructure
Date: Thu,  2 Feb 2006 10:16:53 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200602021816.k12IGrSH080631@gate.bitblocks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:01:41 GMT." <5fe0afe15e6022332c471d92c932f4ce@vitanuova.com>

> >> one disadvantage of the library approach in the unix environment is that
> >> you're once again back having to know which `access method' to use,
> >> to pass the file descriptor or handle to the right library.
> >> i might easily have misunderstood something though.
> 
> > [reasonable explanation deleted]
> > I bet they do something along these lines.
> 
> yes, i supposed it could be something along those lines but i didn't make my 
> point clear.
> if it is along those lines, it breaks something that even sockets didn't brea
> k.
> at the moment, i get a file descriptor that i can pass to anything that does 
> read and write.
> now i've got something that i can only mmap, and even the mmap refers to a
> non-trivial data structure shared with the kernel, and the recipient of the f
> ile descriptor
> must invoke special calls in a special library (ie, the `access method').
> i suppose you could call it TCAM

Once you have mmap (and most versions of Unix do these days)
you have already bought into the associated complexity.  If
you pass a file descriptor with an associated mmap to a
process, what happens is determined by mmap flags used when
the mapping was created.  So all I am saying is that there
is nothing "special" about it.  It is no more "broken".  And
at least this is a useful extension (in that it can make the
kernel simpler without losing performance if they take out
any compatibility crap).  If you exclusively used mmap for
files, even more stuff can potentially be taken out of the
kernel -- just pass the received data map directly to the
file server process.


  reply	other threads:[~2006-02-02 18:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-01  4:28 Christopher Nielsen
2006-02-01  5:57 ` ems
2006-02-01  6:00   ` Christopher Nielsen
2006-02-01  6:06     ` ems
2006-02-01  6:03   ` Federico G. Benavento
2006-02-01 17:46 ` uriel
2006-02-01 18:10   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-02-02 13:37 ` Charles Forsyth
2006-02-02 17:40   ` Bakul Shah
2006-02-02 18:01     ` C H Forsyth
2006-02-02 18:16       ` Bakul Shah [this message]
2006-02-02 19:21         ` David Leimbach
2006-02-03  3:44           ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-02-01 18:20 quanstro
2006-02-02  0:48 ` David Leimbach
2006-02-02  0:49 ` David Leimbach
2006-02-02  2:12   ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-02-02  2:22     ` Christopher Nielsen
2006-02-02  8:24     ` uriel
2006-02-02 10:35       ` Charles Forsyth
2006-02-02 11:40         ` ems
     [not found]         ` <000001c627ee$35f3aee0$14aaa8c0@utelsystems.local>
2006-02-02 12:33           ` "Nils O. Selåsdal"
2006-02-03  3:36         ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-02-03  3:44           ` erik quanstrom
2006-02-03  3:48           ` Christopher Nielsen
2006-02-02 14:36       ` jmk
2006-02-02 16:48         ` Brantley Coile
2006-02-02 18:20           ` ems
2006-02-02 18:24             ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-02-02 19:23               ` Brantley Coile
2006-02-02 19:39               ` jmk
2006-02-02 23:28                 ` Dan Cross
2006-02-02 19:16             ` David Leimbach
2006-02-02 21:28           ` Andy Newman
2006-02-03  3:38       ` ems
2006-02-02 16:59     ` David Leimbach
2006-02-02 17:21       ` C H Forsyth
2006-02-02 19:14         ` David Leimbach
2006-02-02 20:46           ` Charles Forsyth
2006-02-02 20:57             ` Charles Forsyth
2006-02-03  3:55           ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-02-03  4:06             ` erik quanstrom
2006-02-03  4:07             ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-02-03  4:12               ` ems
2006-02-03  4:25                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-02-06  4:25             ` Dave Eckhardt
2006-02-10 19:15               ` rog
2006-02-11  1:20                 ` geoff
2006-02-11  1:59                   ` jmk
2006-02-20 20:37                   ` Paweł Lasek
2006-02-20 20:54                     ` jmk
2006-02-20 23:11                       ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-02-20 23:30                         ` Charles Forsyth
2006-02-02  2:11 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-02-01 18:55 quanstro
2006-02-01 19:13 quanstro
2006-02-02  1:27 ` Russ Cox
2006-02-02  2:01   ` ems
2006-02-02  2:44     ` George Michaelson
2006-02-01 20:35 quanstro
2006-02-01 20:50 quanstro
2006-02-02 19:29 ` Derek Fawcus
2006-02-02 17:14 quanstro
2006-02-02 17:43 quanstro
2006-02-03  0:24 ` geoff
2006-02-03  0:31   ` George Michaelson
2006-02-03  0:30 ` Russ Cox
2006-02-03  1:42 ` Aki M Nyrhinen
2006-02-03  3:33   ` Marina Brown
2006-02-03  0:39 quanstro
2006-02-03  1:00 quanstro
2006-02-03  1:11 ` Christopher Nielsen
2006-02-03  2:09 quanstro
     [not found] <6.0.2.0.0.20060203132930.01c25178@pop.monitorbm.co.nz>
2006-02-03  3:30 ` Andrew Simmons
2006-02-03  3:35   ` jmk
2006-02-03  3:41     ` Andrew Simmons
2006-02-03  3:45       ` ems
     [not found] <000101c6285f$54291320$14aaa8c0@utelsystems.local>
2006-02-03  7:20 ` "Nils O. Selåsdal"

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