Re: [9fans] Van Jacobsen's network stack restructure

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oat Look at litch's whois
oat mainly his ircname
chillywilly that's pretty lame
chillywilly GNU's Not Unix
oat So that is why it sucks?
chillywilly trollin are we?
oat Why does bash and gawk have their own /dev/tcp ?
ams Because they want to.
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chillywilly lalala
oat ams: good reason :)
oat ams: Wouldn't it be simpler to add it to the kernel, like Plan 9?
ams To which kernel?
oat instead of adding it to every application
oat ams: GNU
oat (Hurd)
ams The Hurd isn't a `kernel'.
ams GNU Mach is the kernel, and adding such functionality there would be
silly.
ams gawk/bash did it half right, right space, wrong program.
ams Night!
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chillywilly what's happening on the L4 front?
oat ams: didn't Unix prove that wrong, "do one thing, and do it well" ?
oat Instead of, "do everything, everywhere, poorly"
ams oat, If you ever knew UNIX, then you would know that this isn't the
philosophy of unix.
ams Night.
chillywilly g'night ams
chillywilly hmmm, l4 cvs repo looks stagnant
oat ams: Okay, then it was the 'philosophy' of the Unix developers
oat ams: Good night, then.
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On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 09:24 +0100, uriel@cat-v.org wrote:
> > David Leimbach wrote:
> > 
> >> The bash shell supports /dev/tcp.... kind of evil but you can make
> >> connections and send strings via file redirection with it.
> > 
> > 
> > so, on the 'how broken is that' scale, where does this one go?
> > 
> > the scale, btw, goes from 1 to 11
> Around 16.  
> 
> Gawk also has this "feature", wont be long before someone adds
> it to cat(1)... 
> 
> "do one thing, and do it well" has become
> "do everything, everywhere, poorly"
> 
> I have been wondering lately why don't the FSF replace the whole Hurd
> with bash, it even has emacs(nee libreadline) built in!
> 
> All features built into a single program, and then use some sort of
> virtualization to provide isolation...  and the software industry has
> gone full circle once more.
> 
> Some times I wonder if any progress is possible, or for every step forward
> we take, we will grow an extra leg that takes us back to square zero.
> 
> uriel