From: Nathaniel W Filardo <nwf@cs.jhu.edu>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] sendfd() on native Plan 9?
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 02:36:06 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081224073606.GS9593@masters10.cs.jhu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2967b3806a673eba836c697c763ab61b@quanstro.net>
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On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 11:14:16PM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > All of the same comments apply to /srv (though srv^2 is trying to solve
> > this).
>
> not true. import $server / /n/$server will give you access to srv on $server
> as /n/$server/srv.
Fair, but there's no reason to propose that an exportfs couldn't be the
target of a sendfd(), or that the underlying mechanism for sendfd() couldn't
be similarly exported (devcapsrv would work just fine, I think... maybe I
should just write it and post code?).
> what is "srv^2"?
EricVH's /srv replacement. See
http://graverobbers.blogspot.com/2008/12/srv-next-generation-service-registry.html
> > 1) Sending files across namespaces so that I can spawn acme at rio startup
> > and plumb to it without having to recreate mounts in its namespace.
>
> plumb "Local (bind|mount) args" will accomplish this.
Assuming that the resource can be named in the plumber's namespace? This
works out less well for things like ramfs's that were told where to mount
(-m) and not to use /srv (-s). Or is there something really sneaky going on
here that I don't know?
> > 2) Sending parts of namespaces around locally without needing to run an
> > exportfs in that namespace. (i.e. open() a directory && sendfd() that to
> > another process who can mount() it.) Among other things, this allows the
> > shell (and others) to easily offer the current working directory fd (rather
> > than path) to rio for tab completion.
>
> you can't mount a random directory.
OK, fair, it's more of a bind(). The operation does not yet exist, but
should be quite easy to add. Perhaps it isn't worth it.
> > 3) Some small thought about being able to implement srv^2 entirely in
> > userland, and what the primitives would look like. sendfd() or the above
> > outlined devcapsrv seems better than the current devsrv to me, but I confess
> > I might be mistaken.
>
> what's the advantage of implementing srv entirely in userland?
EricVH made some rumblings off-list about srv^2 being a userland thing, as
it's a relatively complex proposal. Further, being able to write it
entirely in userland also means that it is a virtualizable service, which
/srv is not.
> - erik
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-12-24 7:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-12-23 18:01 Nathaniel W Filardo
2008-12-23 22:52 ` Rodolfo kix Garcia
2008-12-23 23:53 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2008-12-24 1:10 ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2008-12-24 1:39 ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-24 3:00 ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2008-12-24 4:14 ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-24 7:36 ` Nathaniel W Filardo [this message]
2008-12-24 13:36 ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-27 20:27 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-27 20:34 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-12-27 20:21 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-30 8:22 ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2008-12-30 15:04 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-12-30 15:31 ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-01 22:53 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-01 23:57 ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2009-01-03 21:23 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-03 21:41 ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-03 21:59 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-03 23:57 ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2009-01-04 5:19 ` lucio
2009-01-04 5:48 ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-04 6:10 ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2009-01-04 6:43 ` lucio
2009-01-05 1:12 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-05 1:32 ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-05 3:48 ` lucio
2009-01-04 17:32 ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-04 18:23 ` lucio
2009-01-05 1:24 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-04 5:58 ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2009-01-04 6:26 ` lucio
2009-01-04 15:46 ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-05 4:30 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-24 1:17 ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2008-12-27 17:06 ` Russ Cox
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