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From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" <DAGwyn@null.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] User Interface
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:28:06 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3B7AD02B.6281DDB7@null.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3B793F22.5080707@xs4all.nl>

Eric de Redelijkheid wrote:
> >       disk/kfscmd halt
> >       Ctl+Alt+Del
> >       (switch it off)
> This procedure is absurd. What is wrong with a command like ' shutdown'.

All you have to do is put "disk/kfscmd halt" into an rc file "shutdown".
Mine is called "halt", which is about as much an improvement to your
suggestion as your suggestion is to the "hard way".

> Why not a button for a system shutdown?

Why should there be one?  That leads to a myriad of buttons for all
sorts of trivial things, which is *not* good user interface design.

> Or a whole sentence: ' please, shutdown the system for power down'.

"Open the pod bay doors, Hal."

"I'm sorry, I can't do that, Dave.  You didn't say 'please'."

> What is a snarf? Should an ordinairy user like me concern myself with
> words I can't find in the dictionary (if it is a word in a dictionary, I
> have a very cheap one). The fact that it is made by the same people as
> UNIX tells you nothing about interface design. The existence the old
> style man pages are an indication.

UNIX-style man pages, properly used, are a very effective means of
organizing and presenting usage information.

> ... I can not work with sam or acme. In linux, I can hardly work with vi;
> ... I refuse to work with emacs.

Then please go away.  Plan 9, like UNIX, is for tool users, not
barbarians.

> Instinctively I click (left button) this cross, ...

Read the instructions.
There is *no* window manager in general use that is "intuitive"; if
you think there is, it's only because it is similar to some other WM
with which you already have some familiarity.

> Without a good and simple easy to use user interface, plan 9 will never
> be adopted. And the whole effort would have been a pointless exercise.

Adopted by whom?  You don't seem to understand the point of the
exercise.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-08-16  8:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-14 10:02 nigel
2001-08-14 10:27 ` Lucio De Re
2001-08-14 12:45   ` pac
2001-08-15  8:34     ` Eric de Redelijkheid
2001-08-15 10:29       ` Re[2]: " Matt
2001-08-16  0:59       ` Micah Stetson
2001-08-15 23:25         ` Boyd Roberts
2001-08-16  8:28       ` Douglas A. Gwyn [this message]
     [not found]     ` <200108151619.MAA07420@augusta.math.psu.edu>
2001-08-16  8:28       ` Eric de Redelijkheid
2001-08-16 10:26         ` Re[2]: " Matt
2001-08-16 10:43           ` Eric de Redelijkheid
2001-08-16 11:10         ` Re[2]: " Matt
2001-08-16 19:29         ` Steve Kilbane
2001-08-16 20:40           ` Boyd Roberts
2001-08-17  8:50           ` mark powers
2001-08-17  8:49         ` Douglas A. Gwyn
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-08-23 15:35 Vincent van Gelderen
2001-08-20 15:02 Re[2]: " anothy
2001-08-22 21:25 ` Matthew Hannigan
2001-08-23  2:24   ` Boyd Roberts
2001-08-23 15:04     ` Dan Cross
2001-08-23 20:17       ` Boyd Roberts
2001-08-23 20:17       ` Boyd Roberts
2001-08-23 21:35         ` Dan Cross
2001-08-23 21:49           ` Boyd Roberts
2001-08-24 13:04         ` David Lukes
2001-08-23 20:17       ` Boyd Roberts
2001-08-17 11:17 forsyth
2001-08-16  1:00 okamoto
2001-08-16  5:56 ` Fariborz 'Skip' Tavakkolian
2001-08-15 14:20 bwc
2001-08-15 17:13 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-08-15 13:27 Peter Bosch
2001-08-15 12:46 rob pike
2001-08-15 16:35 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-08-14 17:58 bwc
2001-08-14 19:09 ` andrey mirtchovski
2001-08-14 17:13 anothy
2001-08-15 17:06 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-08-14 16:53 forsyth
     [not found] <rob@plan9.bell-labs.com>
2001-08-14 12:54 ` rob pike
2001-08-14 15:01   ` James A. Robinson
2001-08-16 13:45   ` phaet0n
2001-08-20  8:57   ` Randolph Fritz
2001-08-14  9:46 Eric de Redelijkheid
2001-08-14 13:15 ` John Murdie
2001-08-15 13:23 ` William K. Josephson
2001-08-16 21:04 ` Boyd Roberts

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