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From: northern snowfall <dbailey27@ameritech.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] The new ridiculous license
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:39:59 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3EEF7C9F.5000607@ameritech.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200306171604.h5HG4qCU024345@cvs.openbsd.org>

>
>
>We've made OpenSSH so free that it is being included not just in
>generic purpose operating systems, but also in routers, switches, and
>reportedly soon even in POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS... from *major vendors*...
>because we are FED UP with one-off crap security software being put
>into these devices; because MY security depends on the security of
>YOUR NETWORK DEVICE; hence we would rather supply a complete 'plug and
>play' solution that any vendor can just merge into their product
>BECAUSE THE LICENSE IS UTTERLY STARK AND CLEAR AND FREE.  But
>increasingly I am becoming convinces that anyone who has ever worked
>for AT&T or Bell Labs does not UNDERSTAND what makes networks more
>secure -- and it is, surprise, FREE DISCLOSURE OF THE SIMPLE STUFF.
>
>Were we on Berkeley drugs when we decided to make OpenSSH that free?
>
You *must* be on "Berkeley drugs" if you think that above paragraph is
in any way valid. Or maybe you're waiting to get backdoored again to
decide you really need to "rethink" the definition of "secure". Or maybe
you're just going to tell everyone that it was somehow related to your
politics (and not your technique at all). Hm.. just like DARPA...

When *YOU* make secure products that aren't easily evaded with five
or six extra bytes of machine code and *YOU* come up with theory that
doesn't just obfuscate attack design then *YOU* can actually get cocky.
Wobble wobble GOBBLES gotcha dox. And on the flip side, Berkeley
loves its AC1DB1TCH3Z. Maybe you should, too.

Don

http://www.7f.no-ip.com/~north_





  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-06-17 20:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-06-17 16:04 Theo de Raadt
2003-06-17 17:02 ` C H Forsyth
2003-06-17 18:15   ` Charles Forsyth
2003-06-17 18:38 ` Tom Glinos
2003-06-17 17:46   ` Russ Cox, rsc
2003-06-17 21:27     ` Tom Glinos
2003-06-17 18:13   ` Donald Brownlee
2003-06-17 20:39 ` northern snowfall [this message]
2003-06-17 21:19   ` northern snowfall
2003-06-18 10:11 ` matt
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-07-09  3:33 A. Baker
2003-07-11  1:41 ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-20 14:39 Richard C Bilson
2003-06-20  9:30 Andrew Simmons
2003-06-19 19:59 Scott Schwartz
2003-06-19 20:08 ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19 19:24 ot
2003-06-19 19:50 ` Dan Cross
2003-06-19 19:56   ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19 18:13 ot
2003-06-19 18:19 ` David Presotto
2003-06-20  8:39   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-06-19 18:50 ` Dan Cross
2003-06-19 18:55   ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19  9:34 Keith Nash
2003-06-19 13:51 ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19 13:54   ` David Presotto
2003-06-19 14:09     ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19 16:44   ` Erik Terpstra
2003-06-19 17:13     ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19 17:35     ` Dan Cross
2003-06-19 17:52       ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19 21:33         ` Jack Johnson
2003-06-20 14:05           ` Jason Gurtz
2003-06-20 14:08             ` Lucio De Re
2003-06-20 14:30               ` Jason Gurtz
2003-06-19 21:34         ` Jack Johnson
2003-06-19 23:19           ` Dan Cross
2003-06-20  1:52             ` George Michaelson
2003-06-20  2:32               ` Geoff Collyer
2003-06-20  2:40                 ` Geoff Collyer
2003-06-20  6:55                   ` Dan Cross
2003-06-20  2:56                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2003-06-20  2:43               ` Stephen Wynne
2003-06-20  6:54               ` Dan Cross
2003-06-20  7:05                 ` Dan Cross
2003-06-23  8:56                 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-06-23 15:22                 ` rog
2003-06-20  8:20           ` John Murdie
2003-06-20 15:31             ` splite
2003-06-20 17:24               ` John Murdie
2003-06-19 17:51     ` David Presotto
2003-06-19 18:15       ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19 20:14         ` ron minnich
2003-06-23  8:58           ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-06-20  5:01       ` Lucio De Re
2003-06-18  9:34 Markus Friedl
2003-06-18 14:45 ` Dan Cross
2003-06-18 14:48   ` andrey mirtchovski
2003-06-18 16:21     ` northern snowfall
2003-06-18 15:41       ` Markus Friedl
2003-06-18 16:32         ` northern snowfall
2003-06-18 17:12         ` Charles Forsyth
2003-06-18 16:22     ` Dan Cross
2003-06-18 17:09     ` Charles Forsyth
2003-06-20  7:52   ` Markus Friedl
2003-06-18 18:40 ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-18 20:25   ` ron minnich
2003-06-18 21:01     ` rob pike, esq.
2003-06-18 21:04     ` Jack Johnson
2003-06-18 21:02       ` boyd, rounin
     [not found] <42999790ecb672f64d9fe046cb284a9d@plan9.bell-labs.com>
2003-06-17 21:56 ` Donald Brownlee
2003-06-17 18:45 presotto
2003-06-17 18:18 David Presotto
2003-06-17 18:01 David Presotto
2003-06-18  2:55 ` Andrey S. Kukhar
     [not found] <cf335ed380f1abb103f54acc1a307830@plan9.bell-labs.com>
2003-06-17 17:33 ` Theo de Raadt
2003-06-17 17:09 David Presotto
2003-06-17 16:52 Theo de Raadt
2003-06-17 17:10 ` Dan Cross
2003-06-17 18:26   ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-18  8:58 ` ozan s yigit
2003-06-18 14:52   ` Dan Cross
2003-07-03  9:41 ` Wesley Parish
2003-07-03 17:29   ` D. Brownlee
2003-06-17 16:38 Russ Cox, rsc
2003-06-17 17:13 ` David Presotto
2003-06-17 17:50 ` Damian Gerow
2003-06-17 17:57   ` Russ Cox, rsc
2003-06-17 18:07     ` Damian Gerow
2003-06-17 10:28 Theo de Raadt
2003-06-17 20:49 ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-17 21:01   ` David Presotto
2003-06-17 21:26     ` Jack Johnson
2003-06-17 21:28     ` Dan Cross
2003-06-20 12:31       ` Ralph Corderoy
2003-06-20 12:57         ` matt
2003-06-23  8:56         ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-06-23  9:02         ` Anthony Mandic
2003-06-23 14:45           ` Jack Johnson

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