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From: Wesley Parish <wes.parish@paradise.net.nz>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] The new ridiculous license
Date: Thu,  3 Jul 2003 09:41:59 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3gXLa.2084$9f7.195444@news02.tsnz.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200306171652.h5HGqLEw016681@cvs.openbsd.org>

Theo de Raadt wrote:

> It's too difficult for me to explain in full details how much of this
> license is not acceptable to us.  But it clearly is not acceptable to
> us.
>
> We have an entire operating system (minus a touch of GPL and LGPL here
> and there, one sendmail license, and a few smatterings of Artistic)
> that has NO CONTRACTS -- every license is simply "copyright law term
> dismissal + warranty disclaimer".  That is free; these licenses make
> no new requirements of anyone; they do not require or re-state
> anything that is already the way it is.  The BSD licenses we have
> simply take rights granted by copyright law to the author, and they
> serve to allow the author to give up all of those rights (except the
> copyright law right to be known as the author).  These licenses ask
> for nothing in return; they do not even restate anything that another
> law might make a problem -- because there is no need to state it!
>
> We can't accept this license as it is. I note your meeting notes said
> that a goal had been to allow OpenBSD to use parts from this (in
> particular we were interested in the c compiler).  I think someone did
> not listen to us, or understand what a BSD-licensed operating system
> has as a goal -- as this is, the plan9 components are now no more free
> for us to use than they were weeks ago.
>
> sure; you have a new license.  That will be good for some people.  Too
> bad it does not go far enough for the needs of a BSD licensed system.
> It's just incompatible.  It would be the most onerous license in our
> tree (well there is the GPL, but year by year we remove and replace
> more and more GPL software in our tree... we had hoped to replace the
> c compiler in the long term with a free one...)

If gcc a.k.a. the c compiler's a problem, why not take this one and run with
it:
http://www.tendra.org/

"In case you are already wondering, TenDRA is a BSD-licensed C compiler,
with C++ STL support forthcoming. The original Crown copyright from DERA is
still present and the further expansion of TenDRA is BSDL'd."

It's reportedly a very high quality one.

Wesley Parish

--
First the wife, tone of awe.  So much a condition.  Kent in the labs, fast
forward.  "So how was the worthlessful businessman?"  But they hadn't
stopped meat for year ago, that arose hotel facade slowly moved apper.
- Don't let emacs meta-x dissociatedpress write your speeches!


  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-07-03  9:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-06-17 16:52 Theo de Raadt
2003-06-17 17:10 ` Dan Cross
2003-06-17 18:26   ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-18  8:58 ` ozan s yigit
2003-06-18 14:52   ` Dan Cross
2003-07-03  9:41 ` Wesley Parish [this message]
2003-07-03 17:29   ` D. Brownlee
2003-07-03 17:51     ` [9fans] The new OK license D. Brownlee
2003-07-07 11:45       ` Wesley Parish
2003-07-07 14:08         ` D. Brownlee
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-07-09  3:33 [9fans] The new ridiculous license A. Baker
2003-07-11  1:41 ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-20 14:39 Richard C Bilson
2003-06-20  9:30 Andrew Simmons
2003-06-19 19:59 Scott Schwartz
2003-06-19 20:08 ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19 19:24 ot
2003-06-19 19:50 ` Dan Cross
2003-06-19 19:56   ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19 18:13 ot
2003-06-19 18:19 ` David Presotto
2003-06-20  8:39   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-06-19 18:50 ` Dan Cross
2003-06-19 18:55   ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19  9:34 Keith Nash
2003-06-19 13:51 ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19 13:54   ` David Presotto
2003-06-19 14:09     ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19 16:44   ` Erik Terpstra
2003-06-19 17:13     ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19 17:35     ` Dan Cross
2003-06-19 17:52       ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19 21:33         ` Jack Johnson
2003-06-20 14:05           ` Jason Gurtz
2003-06-20 14:08             ` Lucio De Re
2003-06-20 14:30               ` Jason Gurtz
2003-06-19 21:34         ` Jack Johnson
2003-06-19 23:19           ` Dan Cross
2003-06-20  1:52             ` George Michaelson
2003-06-20  2:32               ` Geoff Collyer
2003-06-20  2:40                 ` Geoff Collyer
2003-06-20  6:55                   ` Dan Cross
2003-06-20  2:56                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2003-06-20  2:43               ` Stephen Wynne
2003-06-20  6:54               ` Dan Cross
2003-06-20  7:05                 ` Dan Cross
2003-06-23  8:56                 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-06-23 15:22                 ` rog
2003-06-20  8:20           ` John Murdie
2003-06-20 15:31             ` splite
2003-06-20 17:24               ` John Murdie
2003-06-19 17:51     ` David Presotto
2003-06-19 18:15       ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19 20:14         ` ron minnich
2003-06-23  8:58           ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-06-20  5:01       ` Lucio De Re
2003-06-18  9:34 Markus Friedl
2003-06-18 14:45 ` Dan Cross
2003-06-18 14:48   ` andrey mirtchovski
2003-06-18 16:21     ` northern snowfall
2003-06-18 15:41       ` Markus Friedl
2003-06-18 16:32         ` northern snowfall
2003-06-18 17:12         ` Charles Forsyth
2003-06-18 16:22     ` Dan Cross
2003-06-18 17:09     ` Charles Forsyth
2003-06-20  7:52   ` Markus Friedl
2003-06-18 18:40 ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-18 20:25   ` ron minnich
2003-06-18 21:01     ` rob pike, esq.
2003-06-18 21:04     ` Jack Johnson
2003-06-18 21:02       ` boyd, rounin
     [not found] <42999790ecb672f64d9fe046cb284a9d@plan9.bell-labs.com>
2003-06-17 21:56 ` Donald Brownlee
2003-06-17 18:45 presotto
2003-06-17 18:18 David Presotto
2003-06-17 18:01 David Presotto
2003-06-18  2:55 ` Andrey S. Kukhar
     [not found] <cf335ed380f1abb103f54acc1a307830@plan9.bell-labs.com>
2003-06-17 17:33 ` Theo de Raadt
2003-06-17 17:09 David Presotto
2003-06-17 16:38 Russ Cox, rsc
2003-06-17 17:13 ` David Presotto
2003-06-17 17:50 ` Damian Gerow
2003-06-17 17:57   ` Russ Cox, rsc
2003-06-17 18:07     ` Damian Gerow
2003-06-17 16:04 Theo de Raadt
2003-06-17 17:02 ` C H Forsyth
2003-06-17 18:15   ` Charles Forsyth
2003-06-17 18:38 ` Tom Glinos
2003-06-17 17:46   ` Russ Cox, rsc
2003-06-17 21:27     ` Tom Glinos
2003-06-17 18:13   ` Donald Brownlee
2003-06-17 20:39 ` northern snowfall
2003-06-17 21:19   ` northern snowfall
2003-06-18 10:11 ` matt
2003-06-17 10:28 Theo de Raadt
2003-06-17 20:49 ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-17 21:01   ` David Presotto
2003-06-17 21:26     ` Jack Johnson
2003-06-17 21:28     ` Dan Cross
2003-06-20 12:31       ` Ralph Corderoy
2003-06-20 12:57         ` matt
2003-06-23  8:56         ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-06-23  9:02         ` Anthony Mandic
2003-06-23 14:45           ` Jack Johnson

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