[9fans] NetSurf (browser) and Duktape (javascript)

[9fans] NetSurf (browser) and Duktape (javascript)

[tlaronde]

NetSurf (http://www.netsurf-browser.org/) is a browser written in C. And
Duktape is a javascript engine written in C too.

Has anybody given them a look?
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Re: [9fans] NetSurf (browser) and Duktape (javascript)

[Kurt H Maier]

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 03:26:48PM +0100, tlaronde@polynum.com wrote:
> NetSurf (http://www.netsurf-browser.org/) is a browser written in C. And
> Duktape is a javascript engine written in C too.
>
> Has anybody given them a look?

Yes.

khm

Re: [9fans] NetSurf (browser) and Duktape (javascript)

[Jens Staal]

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2016-02-18 15:26 GMT+01:00 <tlaronde@polynum.com>:

> NetSurf (http://www.netsurf-browser.org/) is a browser written in C. And
> Duktape is a javascript engine written in C too.
>
> Has anybody given them a look?
>

Several NetSurf libraries (used to) build fine under APE. I probably should
try again sometime and upload to the 9front-ports project.

What would be really cool is if  the LibNSFB (netsurf framebuffer
abstraction library) would be ported to Plan9, since this would mean that
it might be possible to run a NetSurf port natively (if all the other parts
compile well)

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Re: [9fans] NetSurf (browser) and Duktape (javascript)

[David Hoskin]

> Has anybody given them a look?

I tried to play with Duktape a while ago, but gave up after having had
enough of preprocessor hell.

As always, portability macros have the opposite effect.

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Re: [9fans] NetSurf (browser) and Duktape (javascript)

[tlaronde]

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 08:41:27PM +0100, Jens Staal wrote:
> 2016-02-18 15:26 GMT+01:00 <tlaronde@polynum.com>:
>
> > NetSurf (http://www.netsurf-browser.org/) is a browser written in C. And
> > Duktape is a javascript engine written in C too.
> >
> > Has anybody given them a look?
> >
>
> Several NetSurf libraries (used to) build fine under APE. I probably should
> try again sometime and upload to the 9front-ports project.
>
> What would be really cool is if  the LibNSFB (netsurf framebuffer
> abstraction library) would be ported to Plan9, since this would mean that
> it might be possible to run a NetSurf port natively (if all the other parts
> compile well)

I have already too many things on the stack---and late. But as for TeX,
I wanted to do the stuff years and years ago and never done anything
significative untill I finally got angry about my written work in
danger, so I've finally done it.

So if nobody beats me, I may do it. Some day. But it's probably not in
the near future.
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Re: [9fans] NetSurf (browser) and Duktape (javascript)

[Aram Hăvărneanu]

What problem would this solve, it's not like netsurf can display any
useful web page that mothra can't display.

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Re: [9fans] NetSurf (browser) and Duktape (javascript)

[tlaronde]

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 01:17:12AM +0100, Aram H?v?rneanu wrote:
> What problem would this solve, it's not like netsurf can display any
> useful web page that mothra can't display.

NetSurf will incorporate Duktape javascript engine. Does Mothra have
javascript?

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Re: [9fans] NetSurf (browser) and Duktape (javascript)

[Kenny Lasse Hoff Levinsen]

Styling/proper rendering might be more interesting than JS.

Best regards,
Kenny Levinsen

> On 19. feb. 2016, at 13.22, tlaronde@polynum.com wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 01:17:12AM +0100, Aram H?v?rneanu wrote:
>> What problem would this solve, it's not like netsurf can display any
>> useful web page that mothra can't display.
>
> NetSurf will incorporate Duktape javascript engine. Does Mothra have
> javascript?
>
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>        Thierry Laronde <tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com>
>                     http://www.kergis.com/
>                     http://www.arts-po.fr/
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>

Re: [9fans] NetSurf (browser) and Duktape (javascript)

[tlaronde]

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 02:00:47PM +0100, Kenny Lasse Hoff Levinsen wrote:
> Styling/proper rendering might be more interesting than JS.
>

Unfortunately, today, there are a number of sites that require
javascript. I don't speak about overloaded media sites. But for example
bank or even governemental sites.

It is unfortunate to have, for some common tasks, the need of
"something else" (and due to the size and complexity of Mozilla
and Chrome, "something else" can be a pretty restrictive choice).

If I'm not mistaken, Russ Cox says somewhere that he was happy working
under Plan9 but that he ported the Plan9 utilities to other systems when
he realized there was no hope that someday Mozilla will run on Plan9...
So he still uses Plan9 utilities, but not under Plan9...
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Re: [9fans] NetSurf (browser) and Duktape (javascript)

[erik quanstrom]

> NetSurf will incorporate Duktape javascript engine. Does Mothra have
> javascript?

no.

- erik

Re: [9fans] NetSurf (browser) and Duktape (javascript)

[erik quanstrom]

> What would be really cool is if  the LibNSFB (netsurf framebuffer

not safe for b... business?

- erik

Re: [9fans] NetSurf (browser) and Duktape (javascript)

[Kenny Lasse Hoff Levinsen]

I am aware, I work with web, but no JS will work before the DOM implementation is complete, and most is utterly useless without styling. It's a better place to start. One can also work without JS for a lot of pages that aren't twitter bootstrap based, or fetching content dynamically. The first is an issue, but the latter not that much... Yet.

Best regards,
Kenny Levinsen

> On 19. feb. 2016, at 14.21, tlaronde@polynum.com wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 02:00:47PM +0100, Kenny Lasse Hoff Levinsen wrote:
>> Styling/proper rendering might be more interesting than JS.
> 
> Unfortunately, today, there are a number of sites that require
> javascript. I don't speak about overloaded media sites. But for example
> bank or even governemental sites.
> 
> It is unfortunate to have, for some common tasks, the need of
> "something else" (and due to the size and complexity of Mozilla
> and Chrome, "something else" can be a pretty restrictive choice).
> 
> If I'm not mistaken, Russ Cox says somewhere that he was happy working
> under Plan9 but that he ported the Plan9 utilities to other systems when
> he realized there was no hope that someday Mozilla will run on Plan9...
> So he still uses Plan9 utilities, but not under Plan9...
> -- 
>        Thierry Laronde <tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com>
>                     http://www.kergis.com/
>                     http://www.arts-po.fr/
> Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89  250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C
> 

Re: [9fans] NetSurf (browser) and Duktape (javascript)

[sl]

> If I'm not mistaken, Russ Cox says somewhere that he was happy working
> under Plan9 but that he ported the Plan9 utilities to other systems when
> he realized there was no hope that someday Mozilla will run on Plan9...
> So he still uses Plan9 utilities, but not under Plan9...

	https://fqa.9front.org/fqa0.html#0.2.3

sl