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From: "Karljurgen Feuerherm" <kfeuerherm@wlu.ca>
To: "'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs'" <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:14:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BC870C8020000CC00026AD9@wlgw07.wlu.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <000301cadd8e$0dd7c720$29875560$@gmail.com>

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Ok--so it's agreed that it's not OO that's the problem, it's the users, then, who don't know which tool to use when. Not at all the same thing.
 
And to be pedantic, since you give this example, the sun does revolve around the earth, so long as you choose the earth as your point of reference... Certain points of reference are to be preferred for certain things, as you said. So OO or not, as appropriate.
 
K

>>> "Patrick Kelly" <kameo76890@gmail.com> 16/04/2010 1:55:50 pm >>>
I was just speaking generally.
One of my major programming languages is Ada, and I doubt anyone would say that isn't big on provability. I've used objects a couple times, in places where they do in fact help, but those cases are, in general, not read properly. Using an object in the wrong place, which is most places, does lead to worse code. For most people, using the wrong tool for the wrong job is foolish, but for OOP lovers...

The question isn't how do you prove it does reduce static provability, but how do you prove it does not. I can cite mathematical proof that the sun revolves around the earth, but we all know that's not true. That being said, there are studies out there about using the wrong paradigm for the wrong job, objects do come up.


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Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-16 11:57 tlaronde
2010-04-16 12:43 ` Jacob Todd
2010-04-16 13:20 ` David Leimbach
2010-04-16 13:32 ` Alexander Sychev
2010-04-16 13:47   ` tlaronde
2010-04-16 14:07   ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-16 14:12     ` James Chapman
2010-04-16 14:27     ` Alexander Sychev
2010-04-16 16:19       ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-16 16:23         ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-16 16:47         ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-16 17:05           ` Jack Johnson
2010-04-16 17:55             ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-16 18:14               ` Karljurgen Feuerherm [this message]
2010-04-16 18:22                 ` Joseph Stewart
2010-04-16 18:37                   ` James Chapman
2010-04-16 18:55                     ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-16 22:10                       ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-16 23:00                         ` Jorden M
2010-04-18  4:24                         ` Joel C. Salomon
2010-04-18  7:22                           ` [9fans] C++ support [was: TeX: hurrah!] EBo
2010-04-18  8:52                             ` lucio
2010-04-18 14:30                               ` Jorden M
2010-04-18 12:45                           ` [9fans] TeX: hurrah! Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-19 12:31                             ` James Chapman
2010-04-19  8:34                           ` [9fans] C++ support [was: TeX: hurrah!] staalmannen
2010-04-16 18:27                 ` [9fans] TeX: hurrah! Patrick Kelly
2010-04-16 17:11           ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-16 17:17             ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-16 17:46               ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2010-04-16 18:10                 ` tlaronde
2010-04-16 18:10             ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-16 23:58               ` [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!) Corey
2010-04-16 23:58                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2010-04-17  4:20                 ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-04-17  4:29                 ` lucio
2010-04-17  6:49                   ` Corey
2010-04-17  7:41                     ` lucio
2010-04-17  9:39                       ` Corey
2010-04-17 12:20                         ` lucio
2010-04-17 13:46                           ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-17 14:02                             ` lucio
2010-04-17 14:19                             ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-17 14:25                               ` lucio
2010-04-17 14:54                                 ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-17 16:09                                   ` lucio
2010-04-17 16:26                                     ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-17 18:01                                       ` lucio
2010-04-17 18:26                                         ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-19  7:15                                       ` Tim Newsham
2010-04-17 16:30                                 ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-17 17:01                               ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-17 17:46                                 ` lucio
2010-04-17 17:58                                   ` lucio
2010-04-17 18:33                                   ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-17 17:29                               ` Albert Skye
2010-04-17 13:39                         ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-17 17:45                         ` Albert Skye
2010-04-17 16:30                       ` Jack Johnson
2010-04-17 17:41                         ` lucio
2010-04-17 12:06                     ` Nick Frolov
2010-04-17 17:06                     ` Iruata Souza
2010-04-18 19:45                       ` Corey
2010-04-17 18:55                     ` Richard Miller
2010-04-18 16:48                       ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-04-19  2:10                         ` Jack Johnson
2010-04-19  3:21                           ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-17 17:09                   ` Jack Johnson
2010-04-17  7:28                 ` SHRIZZA
2010-04-17 10:21                   ` Corey
2010-04-17 14:00                     ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-18 19:26                       ` [9fans] Mars Needs Women Corey
2010-04-18 20:58                         ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-19  0:51                           ` Corey
2010-04-19  1:20                             ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-19  3:33                             ` John Floren
2010-04-19  4:46                               ` lucio
2010-04-19  0:10                         ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-19  3:18                           ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-19 12:14                             ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-25  4:20                               ` Rahul Murmuria
2010-04-25  6:14                                 ` Corey
2010-04-25 15:22                                   ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-25 22:33                                     ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-25 23:07                                       ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-25 23:35                                         ` Alex Lee
2010-04-26  2:04                                     ` [9fans] [PlanX] " Corey
2010-04-26  4:06                                       ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-26  5:24                                         ` Corey
2010-04-26  8:08                                           ` hiro
2010-04-26 13:06                                       ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-26 18:42                                         ` Corey
2010-04-26 19:24                                           ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-26 19:55                                             ` Corey
2010-04-27  9:25                                           ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-04-25 18:55                                   ` [9fans] " blstuart
2010-04-26  1:01                                     ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-04-19  8:45                           ` [9fans] C, APE, Posix C H Forsyth
2010-04-17 19:27                 ` [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!) Bakul Shah
2010-04-17 21:35                   ` C H Forsyth
2010-04-18 15:52                     ` Scott Sullivan
2010-04-18 20:58                       ` C H Forsyth
2010-04-19  1:43                         ` Jeff Sickel
2010-04-18 18:24                     ` Bakul Shah
2010-04-16 18:03       ` [9fans] TeX: hurrah! Joel C. Salomon

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