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From: lucio@proxima.alt.za
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re:  TeX: hurrah!)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:02:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d88d852a16f50b7fcc6d252116275e48@proxima.alt.za> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BC98362020000CC00026C96@wlgw07.wlu.ca>

> On the other hand: doesn't individual development suffers from at least two problems?
>
> (1) lack of a common vision leading to potentially widely divergent and incompatible solutions

Yes, but the products are small enough that one can bring two
incompatible strands together.  Whereas dealing with a _single_
version of GCC is a nightmare that no one wants to tackle.  So we
swallow its insanities and call them features.  More to the point, we
let ourselves become dependent on it because we imagine that there are
no alternatives.  And in fact, there aren't any, if we measure them by
the very bloat that we have become dependent on.

> (2) lack of sufficient energy (manpower etc.) behind any given project development to make any real headway.
>
We sent man on the Moon without GCC or autoconf.  It concerns me that
the number of features we seem unable to do without is growing
according to Moore's law.

> Presumably there's a happy medium between supreme bloat and minimalism?

Maybe, but there isn't a mathematical formula defining this vague grey
area.  So when making a decision, you have to pick one of two mutually
exclusive guiding principles.

++L




  reply	other threads:[~2010-04-17 14:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-16 11:57 [9fans] TeX: hurrah! tlaronde
2010-04-16 12:43 ` Jacob Todd
2010-04-16 13:20 ` David Leimbach
2010-04-16 13:32 ` Alexander Sychev
2010-04-16 13:47   ` tlaronde
2010-04-16 14:07   ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-16 14:12     ` James Chapman
2010-04-16 14:27     ` Alexander Sychev
2010-04-16 16:19       ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-16 16:23         ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-16 16:47         ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-16 17:05           ` Jack Johnson
2010-04-16 17:55             ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-16 18:14               ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-16 18:22                 ` Joseph Stewart
2010-04-16 18:37                   ` James Chapman
2010-04-16 18:55                     ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-16 22:10                       ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-16 23:00                         ` Jorden M
2010-04-18  4:24                         ` Joel C. Salomon
2010-04-18  7:22                           ` [9fans] C++ support [was: TeX: hurrah!] EBo
2010-04-18  8:52                             ` lucio
2010-04-18 14:30                               ` Jorden M
2010-04-18 12:45                           ` [9fans] TeX: hurrah! Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-19 12:31                             ` James Chapman
2010-04-19  8:34                           ` [9fans] C++ support [was: TeX: hurrah!] staalmannen
2010-04-16 18:27                 ` [9fans] TeX: hurrah! Patrick Kelly
2010-04-16 17:11           ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-16 17:17             ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-16 17:46               ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2010-04-16 18:10                 ` tlaronde
2010-04-16 18:10             ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-16 23:58               ` [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!) Corey
2010-04-16 23:58                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2010-04-17  4:20                 ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-04-17  4:29                 ` lucio
2010-04-17  6:49                   ` Corey
2010-04-17  7:41                     ` lucio
2010-04-17  9:39                       ` Corey
2010-04-17 12:20                         ` lucio
2010-04-17 13:46                           ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-17 14:02                             ` lucio [this message]
2010-04-17 14:19                             ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-17 14:25                               ` lucio
2010-04-17 14:54                                 ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-17 16:09                                   ` lucio
2010-04-17 16:26                                     ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-17 18:01                                       ` lucio
2010-04-17 18:26                                         ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-19  7:15                                       ` Tim Newsham
2010-04-17 16:30                                 ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-17 17:01                               ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-17 17:46                                 ` lucio
2010-04-17 17:58                                   ` lucio
2010-04-17 18:33                                   ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-17 17:29                               ` Albert Skye
2010-04-17 13:39                         ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-17 17:45                         ` Albert Skye
2010-04-17 16:30                       ` Jack Johnson
2010-04-17 17:41                         ` lucio
2010-04-17 12:06                     ` Nick Frolov
2010-04-17 17:06                     ` Iruata Souza
2010-04-18 19:45                       ` Corey
2010-04-17 18:55                     ` Richard Miller
2010-04-18 16:48                       ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-04-19  2:10                         ` Jack Johnson
2010-04-19  3:21                           ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-17 17:09                   ` Jack Johnson
2010-04-17  7:28                 ` SHRIZZA
2010-04-17 10:21                   ` Corey
2010-04-17 14:00                     ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-18 19:26                       ` [9fans] Mars Needs Women Corey
2010-04-18 20:58                         ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-19  0:51                           ` Corey
2010-04-19  1:20                             ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-19  3:33                             ` John Floren
2010-04-19  4:46                               ` lucio
2010-04-19  0:10                         ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-19  3:18                           ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-19 12:14                             ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-25  4:20                               ` Rahul Murmuria
2010-04-25  6:14                                 ` Corey
2010-04-25 15:22                                   ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-25 22:33                                     ` Karljurgen Feuerherm
2010-04-25 23:07                                       ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-25 23:35                                         ` Alex Lee
2010-04-26  2:04                                     ` [9fans] [PlanX] " Corey
2010-04-26  4:06                                       ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-26  5:24                                         ` Corey
2010-04-26  8:08                                           ` hiro
2010-04-26 13:06                                       ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-26 18:42                                         ` Corey
2010-04-26 19:24                                           ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-26 19:55                                             ` Corey
2010-04-27  9:25                                           ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-04-25 18:55                                   ` [9fans] " blstuart
2010-04-26  1:01                                     ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-04-19  8:45                           ` [9fans] C, APE, Posix C H Forsyth
2010-04-17 19:27                 ` [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!) Bakul Shah
2010-04-17 21:35                   ` C H Forsyth
2010-04-18 15:52                     ` Scott Sullivan
2010-04-18 20:58                       ` C H Forsyth
2010-04-19  1:43                         ` Jeff Sickel
2010-04-18 18:24                     ` Bakul Shah
2010-04-16 18:03       ` [9fans] TeX: hurrah! Joel C. Salomon
2010-04-19 12:13 [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!) John Stalker

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