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From: Charles Forsyth <forsyth@terzarima.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] ls, rc question -- proposed change to rc/glob.c
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:49:39 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877cd28f100e43ead94de82da6b4f49b@terzarima.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <pc2dnYT8R4jOkcPdRVn-gQ@comcast.com>

>>facility usually used by apps.  (Consider Unix treatment of symbolic 
>>links; you usually want to follow them but not always, thus lstat(2) vs. 
>>stat(2).)

it's a good example of how that approach breaks down:
there isn't any way to tell from the outside how any given application
will deal with symbolic links.  for instance,
some versions of ls follow them (unless given -L), others do not,
following different reasonable rationales.

if i tar up a tree, am i interested in following the links (ie, i want
the tree's contents) or recording them (ie, i want the tree's
structure)?  it might depend on the link!  fortunately tar has lots of
options, but the default is to copy the structure (-h follows all
symbolic links).

generally, the approach seems to be for directory-traversing programs
and programs such as mv do not follow the links, but programs that
open files naturally follow the links.

so cp follows the links.

unless it's cp -R!  then there are three options -H, -L, and -P
to (attempt to) control handling of symbolic links, distinguishing
between names on the command line that happen to be links,
and names in the structure that are links.

in some ways, it's rather worse with symbolic links.



  reply	other threads:[~2004-03-22 10:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-18 21:40 [9fans] ls question David Tolpin
2004-03-18 21:58 ` Russ Cox
2004-03-18 22:05   ` Russ Cox
2004-03-18 23:00     ` [9fans] ls, rc question David Tolpin
2004-03-18 23:31       ` [9fans] dirread David Tolpin
2004-03-18 23:49         ` ron minnich
2004-03-19  0:14         ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-19  3:38         ` rsc
2004-03-19  3:41       ` [9fans] ls, rc question rsc
2004-03-19  5:32         ` David Tolpin
2004-03-19  5:45           ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-19  5:50           ` ron minnich
2004-03-19  6:45             ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-19  9:07             ` Charles Forsyth
2004-03-19  9:24               ` Richard Miller
2004-03-19  9:33                 ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-19  9:39                   ` Richard Miller
2004-03-19  9:46                     ` Geoff Collyer
2004-03-19 10:11                   ` Richard Miller
2004-03-19 10:42                     ` Charles Forsyth
2004-03-19 10:03                 ` Charles Forsyth
2004-03-19  9:38               ` [9fans] Bind, look, everything is duplicated David Tolpin
2004-03-19  7:01           ` [9fans] ls, rc question Micah Stetson
2004-03-19  7:57             ` [9fans] ls, rc question -- proposed change to rc/glob.c David Tolpin
2004-03-19  8:13               ` Rob Pike
2004-03-19  8:18                 ` David Tolpin
2004-03-19  8:24                   ` David Tolpin
2004-03-19  8:27                   ` Rob Pike
2004-03-19  8:52                     ` David Tolpin
2004-03-19  9:16                     ` Richard Miller
2004-03-19  9:29                       ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-19  9:41                       ` Geoff Collyer
2004-03-19 10:09                         ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-19 10:50                         ` Geoff Collyer
2004-03-19 11:12                           ` David Tolpin
2004-03-19 12:31                             ` Charles Forsyth
2004-03-19 12:53                               ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-19 13:59                             ` David Presotto
2004-03-19 14:44                               ` David Tolpin
2004-03-19 17:57                                 ` Russ Cox
2004-03-19 18:04                                   ` David Tolpin
2004-03-19 20:31                               ` Geoff Collyer
2004-03-22 22:56                           ` rog
2004-03-22 23:19                             ` Scott Schwartz
2004-03-22 23:50                             ` Charles Forsyth
2004-03-23  0:28                               ` rog
2004-03-23  0:40                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2004-03-23  0:49                             ` Charles Forsyth
2004-03-23  2:12                               ` ron minnich
2004-03-23  2:16                                 ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-23  3:15                                 ` rog
2004-03-23 11:13                             ` a
2004-03-23 11:47                               ` Geoff Collyer
2004-03-19  8:31                 ` Richard Miller
2004-03-19  8:47                   ` Geoff Collyer
2004-03-19  9:07                   ` Rob Pike
2004-03-19  9:34                     ` David Tolpin
2004-03-19  9:52                     ` Scott Schwartz
2004-03-19 14:42                       ` ron minnich
2004-03-19 16:18                         ` 9nut
2004-03-19 15:34                           ` david presotto
2004-03-19 15:43                             ` ron minnich
2004-03-19 16:00                               ` Charles Forsyth
2004-03-19 16:02                             ` Charles Forsyth
2004-03-19 16:23                               ` David Presotto
2004-03-19 16:34                             ` Richard Miller
2004-03-19 16:47                               ` a
2004-03-19 16:52                                 ` Richard Miller
2004-03-19 17:15                               ` David Presotto
2004-03-21 20:47                               ` rog
2004-03-21 20:50                                 ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-21 21:53                                 ` ron minnich
2004-03-21 22:05                                   ` Charles Forsyth
2004-03-21 23:29                                   ` Enache Adrian
2004-03-22  1:30                                     ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-22 10:09                                 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2004-03-22 10:49                                   ` Charles Forsyth [this message]
2004-03-22 12:15                                     ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-22 18:23                                       ` Derek Fawcus
2004-03-23  0:06                                         ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-19 16:34                             ` a
2004-03-19 15:53                           ` lucio
2004-03-19 16:01                             ` Charles Forsyth
2004-03-19 16:08                             ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-03-19 16:12                               ` ron minnich
2004-03-19 16:22                               ` lucio
2004-03-19 19:42                         ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-19 14:13                     ` Russ Cox
2004-03-19 14:37                       ` David Tolpin
2004-03-19  8:35                 ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-19 14:19                 ` Russ Cox
2004-03-18 21:59 ` [9fans] ls question David Presotto
2004-03-18 22:05 ` matt
2004-03-18 22:04   ` David Tolpin
2004-03-18 22:08   ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-19 15:59 [9fans] ls, rc question -- proposed change to rc/glob.c Tiit Lankots

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