Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

[Paschke Christoph <c.paschke@me.com>]

You know that Minix / Prof. Tanenbaum get > 2.4 Mio Euro from European Union to get an Europe side operating system running.
They were at the Nuernberg embedded fare. At the moment they migrate the x86 base to Arm. They got 2-3 students for that to work.
I think it is not only the GSoC, but also this support from EU. What I also like at Minix is the good documentation (books form Prof. Tanenbaum) you get about the system.

I also got some idea to get engaged with Minix especially according to the idea of the Microkernel and the reincarnation drivers etc. But one part I got shocked was the amount of RAM this system needs for nearly nothing and also the missing of nearly each hardware support. So, at Plan 9 you see the old profs around the Bell Labs at work if you compare that both systems.

Ok, for my understanding there is the difference between a reincarnation resource approach on base of a Microkernel and driver in user space (in Minix) or an file based distributed resource (in Plan 9), right? So, both ideas I find quite interesting alternative concepts, isn't it?

Before I started with Inferno some weeks ago, I still was quite sure to engage with Minix. Only not sure with this hardware and RAM issue at all. So, nothing with the system only needs 1 MB ... But I also get in good hope because the EU money funding. Money always turn the world.
But for me most important to see if things are going forward, projects are defined and getting done. That there is not such chaos everywhere that eachone doing anything and all doing nothing ...

So, I think most important to describe clearly the installation process that newbies not get a shock or give up already at the beginning.
Second: I believe it is important that the website is good readable for normal people, written from native english speaking people that everyone can understand well.
It is not a good idea at all if an installation description for example is written from people that have serious problems in expression or precise description of the processes in english words. In this way projects are already born to fail from beginning.

The Minix project will get a good start in this way, especially now after financing and after it is coordinated centrally by Vrieje Univerity. And such organizational fundamentals of a system, the Plan 9 group also should get working. I think need clearly write together the projects what ones like to work on, doing it with a clear native english description and the opportunity to get envolved. At the moment I get such chaotic feeling with Plan 9. Maybe I'm wrong?

Am 19.03.2012 um 10:35 schrieb faif:

> Τη Παρασκευή, 16 Μαρτίου 2012 8:36:46 μ.μ. UTC+1, ο χρήστης (άγνωστος) έγραψε:
>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 03:17:13PM -0400, Anthony Sorace wrote:
>>> Folks:
>>> 	Unfortunately, Plan 9 was not selected to participate in
>>> this year's Summer of Code.
>> 
>> I don't know the exhaustive list of rejected, but I would say that the
>> accepted one is enlightening.
>> 
>> And BTW, Plan9 is not the only one not here... I see many missing...
>> 
>> And as Anthony writes, this does not prevent any doing. 
>> 
>> -- 
>>        Thierry Laronde <tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com>
>>                      http://www.kergis.com/
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> Τη Παρασκευή, 16 Μαρτίου 2012 8:36:46 μ.μ. UTC+1, ο χρήστης (άγνωστος) έγραψε:
>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 03:17:13PM -0400, Anthony Sorace wrote:
>>> Folks:
>>> 	Unfortunately, Plan 9 was not selected to participate in
>>> this year's Summer of Code.
>> 
>> I don't know the exhaustive list of rejected, but I would say that the
>> accepted one is enlightening.
>> 
>> And BTW, Plan9 is not the only one not here... I see many missing...
>> 
>> And as Anthony writes, this does not prevent any doing. 
>> 
>> -- 
>>        Thierry Laronde <tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com>
>>                      http://www.kergis.com/
>> Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89  250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C
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> It's a pity to see less novel (IMHO) operating systems like MINIX 3 being accepted, and Plan 9 being rejected...
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