[9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[Paul Lalonde]

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I'm trying to build an arm userspace, and I'm dying building rc; 5c is dying
at /sys/src/cmd/5c/peep.c:1338, with joinsplit() having been called with
r=0x0.

I'm running from an old distro, but with today's sysfromiso by ron.

Any (non-null) pointers?

Paul



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Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[Bruce Ellis]

hmmm works on all 5cs i have. charles will fix the glitch, maybe.

5c is interesting in that there are more arms than on capitol hill. i
have a little plan...

arm&half.

brucee

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Paul Lalonde <paul.a.lalonde@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to build an arm userspace, and I'm dying building rc; 5c is dying
> at /sys/src/cmd/5c/peep.c:1338, with joinsplit() having been called with
> r=0x0.
> I'm running from an old distro, but with today's sysfromiso by ron.
> Any (non-null) pointers?
> Paul
>
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Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[Charles Forsyth]

>hmmm works on all 5cs i have. charles will fix the glitch, maybe.

it seems to work with the ones i've got.
i'll see how those compare with sources.

Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[Charles Forsyth]

>i'll see how those compare with sources.

i can't get 5c to fail when compiling rc. ghostscript might be another matter;
i haven't tried that yet.

Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[Bruce Ellis]

that's what i wouldn't attempt.

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Charles Forsyth <forsyth@terzarima.net> wrote:
>>i'll see how those compare with sources.
>
> i can't get 5c to fail when compiling rc. ghostscript might be another matter;
> i haven't tried that yet.
>
>

Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[erik quanstrom]

On Sun Dec  5 04:41:17 EST 2010, forsyth@terzarima.net wrote:
> >i'll see how those compare with sources.
>
> i can't get 5c to fail when compiling rc. ghostscript might be another matter;
> i haven't tried that yet.

at least on my openrd, everything in /sys/src/cmd
compiles with no problems, including gs.

- erik

Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[Paul Lalonde]

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I've rebuilt my x86 userspace, nuked, rebuilt objtype=arm, and still in rc,
bang.
I'm running on 9vx, so I can imagine some random interaction there (I can't
justify the power bills to keep a plan9 386 box going these days given the
frequency I use it).
An rc would let me move all this over to my plug and worry less, methinks.

Paul

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 5:24 AM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>wrote:

> On Sun Dec  5 04:41:17 EST 2010, forsyth@terzarima.net wrote:
> > >i'll see how those compare with sources.
> >
> > i can't get 5c to fail when compiling rc. ghostscript might be another
> matter;
> > i haven't tried that yet.
>
> at least on my openrd, everything in /sys/src/cmd
> compiles with no problems, including gs.
>
> - erik
>
>


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Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[Paul Lalonde]

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Erik sorted me out - and our wee conversation made me remember that in the
presence of 'bind -b /sysfromiso /' it's important not to get the arguments
backwards.
Mea maxima culpa, apologies for the noise.

Paul

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Paul Lalonde <paul.a.lalonde@gmail.com>wrote:

> I've rebuilt my x86 userspace, nuked, rebuilt objtype=arm, and still in rc,
> bang.
> I'm running on 9vx, so I can imagine some random interaction there (I can't
> justify the power bills to keep a plan9 386 box going these days given the
> frequency I use it).
> An rc would let me move all this over to my plug and worry less, methinks.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 5:24 AM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>wrote:
>
>> On Sun Dec  5 04:41:17 EST 2010, forsyth@terzarima.net wrote:
>> > >i'll see how those compare with sources.
>> >
>> > i can't get 5c to fail when compiling rc. ghostscript might be another
>> matter;
>> > i haven't tried that yet.
>>
>> at least on my openrd, everything in /sys/src/cmd
>> compiles with no problems, including gs.
>>
>> - erik
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[Charles Forsyth]

> I'm running on 9vx, so I can imagine some random interaction there (I can't
> justify the power bills to keep a plan9 386 box going these days given the
> frequency I use it).

the atom boards are not too bad.
my 9-collection no longer heats the loft,
and there was a we-e dip in the e-bill for e-lectricity.

Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[ron minnich]

just a reminder, when I build from sysfromiso, on 9vx:

cd sysfromiso
hg pull
hg up
bind sys/src /sys/src
bind sys/include /sys/include
cd /sys/src
objtype=arm
mk nuke
mk install

I've used this to build bootable openrd kernels. I'm rerunning it now.
It always takes time because of gs, but gs is a great test. I'll
update with a note on how it went.


I just did a push from sources to the sysfromiso repo.

ron

Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[ron minnich]

Build went fine.

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:15 AM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> just a reminder, when I build from sysfromiso, on 9vx:
>
> cd sysfromiso
> hg pull
> hg up
> bind sys/src /sys/src
> bind sys/include /sys/include
> cd /sys/src
> objtype=arm
> mk nuke
> mk install
>
> I've used this to build bootable openrd kernels. I'm rerunning it now.
> It always takes time because of gs, but gs is a great test. I'll
> update with a note on how it went.
>
>
> I just did a push from sources to the sysfromiso repo.
>
> ron
>

Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[Paul Lalonde]

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I got it clean, finally.  I had mis-mapped some pieces while updating my x86
userland, without which 5c crapped out a lot.

Next question: How do I build my plug kernel?  Among my early build
problems:
    mk: no recipe to make 'devtwsi.5' in directory /sys/src/9/kw
    ../boot/libboot.a5 doesn't exist: assuming it will be an archive
    mk: no recipe to make 'syscallfmt.5' in directory /sys/src/9/kw

I'm not finding current "how to build a kernel" bits anywhere :-(

Paul

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:28 AM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:

> Build went fine.
>
> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:15 AM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> > just a reminder, when I build from sysfromiso, on 9vx:
> >
> > cd sysfromiso
> > hg pull
> > hg up
> > bind sys/src /sys/src
> > bind sys/include /sys/include
> > cd /sys/src
> > objtype=arm
> > mk nuke
> > mk install
> >
> > I've used this to build bootable openrd kernels. I'm rerunning it now.
> > It always takes time because of gs, but gs is a great test. I'll
> > update with a note on how it went.
> >
> >
> > I just did a push from sources to the sysfromiso repo.
> >
> > ron
> >
>
>


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Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[ron minnich]

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Paul Lalonde <paul.a.lalonde@gmail.com> wrote:
> I got it clean, finally.  I had mis-mapped some pieces while updating my x86
> userland, without which 5c crapped out a lot.
> Next question: How do I build my plug kernel?  Among my early build
> problems:
>     mk: no recipe to make 'devtwsi.5' in directory /sys/src/9/kw
>     ../boot/libboot.a5 doesn't exist: assuming it will be an archive
>     mk: no recipe to make 'syscallfmt.5' in directory /sys/src/9/kw
> I'm not finding current "how to build a kernel" bits anywhere :-(
>


The guys are always improving things :-)

I thought that stuff was already in sysfromiso -- done a pull lately?
-- but I'll heck tonight.

ron

Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[erik quanstrom]

On Mon Dec  6 20:14:54 EST 2010, rminnich@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Paul Lalonde <paul.a.lalonde@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I got it clean, finally.  I had mis-mapped some pieces while updating my x86
> > userland, without which 5c crapped out a lot.
> > Next question: How do I build my plug kernel?  Among my early build
> > problems:
> >     mk: no recipe to make 'devtwsi.5' in directory /sys/src/9/kw
> >     ../boot/libboot.a5 doesn't exist: assuming it will be an archive
> >     mk: no recipe to make 'syscallfmt.5' in directory /sys/src/9/kw
> > I'm not finding current "how to build a kernel" bits anywhere :-(
> >
>
>
> The guys are always improving things :-)

you can just chop twsi out of your kernel configuration and build.
i'd be happy to put a pre-built arm kernel out, too.

- erik

Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[ron minnich]

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:54 PM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
> On Mon Dec  6 20:14:54 EST 2010, rminnich@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Paul Lalonde <paul.a.lalonde@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I got it clean, finally.  I had mis-mapped some pieces while updating my x86
>> > userland, without which 5c crapped out a lot.
>> > Next question: How do I build my plug kernel?  Among my early build
>> > problems:
>> >     mk: no recipe to make 'devtwsi.5' in directory /sys/src/9/kw
>> >     ../boot/libboot.a5 doesn't exist: assuming it will be an archive
>> >     mk: no recipe to make 'syscallfmt.5' in directory /sys/src/9/kw
>> > I'm not finding current "how to build a kernel" bits anywhere :-(
>> >
>>
>>
>> The guys are always improving things :-)
>
> you can just chop twsi out of your kernel configuration and build.
> i'd be happy to put a pre-built arm kernel out, too.

I just committed a new sysfromiso with that file added.

ron

Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[Paul Lalonde]

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Getting closer.  I still seem to be lacking syscallfmt.c which is called out
explicitly in the mkfile but isn't in sysfromiso.  The version in sys/pc
clearly won't work.

Paul

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:51 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:54 PM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
> wrote:
> > On Mon Dec  6 20:14:54 EST 2010, rminnich@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Paul Lalonde <paul.a.lalonde@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > I got it clean, finally.  I had mis-mapped some pieces while updating
> my x86
> >> > userland, without which 5c crapped out a lot.
> >> > Next question: How do I build my plug kernel?  Among my early build
> >> > problems:
> >> >     mk: no recipe to make 'devtwsi.5' in directory /sys/src/9/kw
> >> >     ../boot/libboot.a5 doesn't exist: assuming it will be an archive
> >> >     mk: no recipe to make 'syscallfmt.5' in directory /sys/src/9/kw
> >> > I'm not finding current "how to build a kernel" bits anywhere :-(
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> The guys are always improving things :-)
> >
> > you can just chop twsi out of your kernel configuration and build.
> > i'd be happy to put a pre-built arm kernel out, too.
>
> I just committed a new sysfromiso with that file added.
>
> ron
>
>


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Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[Lucio De Re]

On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 09:57:50PM -0800, Paul Lalonde wrote:
>
> Getting closer.  I still seem to be lacking syscallfmt.c which is called out
> explicitly in the mkfile but isn't in sysfromiso.  The version in sys/pc
> clearly won't work.
>
You can't just grab it off sources?

	9fs sources
	fcp /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/9/kw/syscallfmt.c /sys/src/9/kw/

I rebuilt 9plug on a fresh native plan 9n distribution in the last hour,
without a hitch.  I even tested it on my sheevaplug and other that I
haven't yet figured out how to get flash going, it worked without any
intervention.

Any suggestions on getting rid of the need for a console by supplying
#F/flash/flash0 and putting intelligent settings in there?  I'd love
to get to the point where the sheeva just starts up without human
intervention when there are file and auth services for it to use.

I'm a little concerned about guessing my way around flash, I'd rather
have instructions that are known to work.  But the sheer simplicity of
the whole system is mind boggling.

++L

Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[erik quanstrom]

> Any suggestions on getting rid of the need for a console by supplying
> #F/flash/flash0 and putting intelligent settings in there?  I'd love
> to get to the point where the sheeva just starts up without human
> intervention when there are file and auth services for it to use.

see /cfg/pxe/example-kw.  with careful selection of a flash address,
one can also put the nvram on #F.

- erik

Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[erik quanstrom]

On Tue Dec  7 00:58:58 EST 2010, paul.a.lalonde@gmail.com wrote:

> Getting closer.  I still seem to be lacking syscallfmt.c which is called out
> explicitly in the mkfile but isn't in sysfromiso.  The version in sys/pc
> clearly won't work.

there is no current version in pc.  this is what you're intersted in
./port/syscallfmt.c
./kw/syscall.c

- erik

Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[Paul Lalonde]

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sources!  It's really impressive how much can fall out of your head when you
haven't actually run plan9 for a couple of years.

I have a build, and tonight I should be able to actually try it!

Paul

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 5:37 AM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>wrote:

> On Tue Dec  7 00:58:58 EST 2010, paul.a.lalonde@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Getting closer.  I still seem to be lacking syscallfmt.c which is called
> out
> > explicitly in the mkfile but isn't in sysfromiso.  The version in sys/pc
> > clearly won't work.
>
> there is no current version in pc.  this is what you're intersted in
> ./port/syscallfmt.c
> ./kw/syscall.c
>
> - erik
>
>


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Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[ron minnich]

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 5:37 AM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:

> there is no current version in pc.  this is what you're intersted in
> ./port/syscallfmt.c
> ./kw/syscall.c

Those are in now as well.

ron

Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[ron minnich]

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:26 AM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 5:37 AM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
>
>> there is no current version in pc.  this is what you're intersted in
>> ./port/syscallfmt.c
>> ./kw/syscall.c
>
> Those are in now as well.

or will be if the hg commit ever finishes ...

ron

Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[Paul Lalonde]

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I have a successful boot off my USB stick onto the Guru.

Now, how do I tell it to use the USB stick as a root filesystem?  I'm
guessing I'll want to have two partitions, one to hold the image and another
as a native P4 fs of some sort (if only to get case-sensitive filenames).
 How do I specify the later to the "root is from" prompt?

Paul

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:39 AM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:26 AM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 5:37 AM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> there is no current version in pc.  this is what you're intersted in
> >> ./port/syscallfmt.c
> >> ./kw/syscall.c
> >
> > Those are in now as well.
>
> or will be if the hg commit ever finishes ...
>
> ron
>
>


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Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[Lucio De Re]

> Now, how do I tell it to use the USB stick as a root filesystem?  I'm
> guessing I'll want to have two partitions, one to hold the image and another
> as a native P4 fs of some sort (if only to get case-sensitive filenames).
>  How do I specify the later to the "root is from" prompt?

Time for that consolidation of fsfs, disksim and other such disk tools
into one.  In your case, I think fsfs is what you need, but I'd hate
to be the one to figure it all out.

++L

Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[Paul Lalonde]

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Oh dear, I spend too much time with Perforce (P4) these days.  I mean an
Plan9 fs, of course.

Paul

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Paul Lalonde <paul.a.lalonde@gmail.com>wrote:

> I have a successful boot off my USB stick onto the Guru.
>
> Now, how do I tell it to use the USB stick as a root filesystem?  I'm
> guessing I'll want to have two partitions, one to hold the image and another
> as a native P4 fs of some sort (if only to get case-sensitive filenames).
>  How do I specify the later to the "root is from" prompt?
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:39 AM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:26 AM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 5:37 AM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> there is no current version in pc.  this is what you're intersted in
>> >> ./port/syscallfmt.c
>> >> ./kw/syscall.c
>> >
>> > Those are in now as well.
>>
>> or will be if the hg commit ever finishes ...
>>
>> ron
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[Lucio De Re]

> Oh dear, I spend too much time with Perforce (P4) these days.  I mean an
> Plan9 fs, of course.

Well, I don't, so I did not see the "4" at all.  Anyway, you should be
more careful not to contaminate this list with lower numbered members
of the species :-)

++L

Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[ron minnich]

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Paul Lalonde <paul.a.lalonde@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a successful boot off my USB stick onto the Guru.
> Now, how do I tell it to use the USB stick as a root filesystem?  I'm
> guessing I'll want to have two partitions, one to hold the image and another
> as a native P4 fs of some sort (if only to get case-sensitive filenames).
>  How do I specify the later to the "root is from" prompt?


I've gotten part of the way there. I set up a 9fat on the first
partition and I can boot the kernel from u-boot with the 9fat. But I'm
not quite done the rest.

ron

Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[Lucio De Re]

On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 09:25:37PM -0800, ron minnich wrote:
>
> I've gotten part of the way there. I set up a 9fat on the first
> partition and I can boot the kernel from u-boot with the 9fat. But I'm
> not quite done the rest.
>
The plug really needs fully hands-off booting and this does not seem to
be the direction you're heading.  I suppose my approach where the file
server is on the network isn't great either, although it may be suitable
for an auth server.

What are the various eventual uses for a plug running P9?  I can think of

	Stealth CPU server/AUTH server
	ARM development system (where's Go?)

Can't think of anything else, but I'm not great on the imagination thing.

I'm particularly fragmented now, but soon I'll want to focus on only a few
projects, so I'm offering to help any sort of concrete goals.  I have only
an oldish plug, probably a year old now, but it's dedicated to Plan 9.

Mind you, so is the YeeLoong and that doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

++L

Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[ron minnich]

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Lucio De Re <lucio@proxima.alt.za> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 09:25:37PM -0800, ron minnich wrote:
>>
>> I've gotten part of the way there. I set up a 9fat on the first
>> partition and I can boot the kernel from u-boot with the 9fat. But I'm
>> not quite done the rest.
>>
> The plug really needs fully hands-off booting and this does not seem to
> be the direction you're heading.

actually it is. My openrd (same as a plug) has a 500 GB USB hard drive
($50 from Frys; I was using a flash drive but ventifmt made it die)
and I'm working to a hands-off booting. I changed the boot environment
variables to default to booting from 9fat on the disk, and that gets
me to Plan 9. I don't understand why you think this is not hands-off?

Currently things don't work out so well when I boot :-)
But I have not touched it for a bit.

>        Stealth CPU server/AUTH server

I don't want to have an outward-facing OSX or Linux. I trust Plan 9
more if only because I figure most people will ignore it ...

>        ARM development system (where's Go?)

ARMs are great! Just look at the gumstix.

ron

Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[Paul Lalonde]

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My application is home-control; I have an off-grid cabin that wants to run a
3G usb stick and a low-power cpu server to manage automation - pre-heating,
hot water, etc.  This lets me geek a little at the same time.

Paul

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Lucio De Re <lucio@proxima.alt.za> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 09:25:37PM -0800, ron minnich wrote:
> >
> > I've gotten part of the way there. I set up a 9fat on the first
> > partition and I can boot the kernel from u-boot with the 9fat. But I'm
> > not quite done the rest.
> >
> The plug really needs fully hands-off booting and this does not seem to
> be the direction you're heading.  I suppose my approach where the file
> server is on the network isn't great either, although it may be suitable
> for an auth server.
>
> What are the various eventual uses for a plug running P9?  I can think of
>
>        Stealth CPU server/AUTH server
>        ARM development system (where's Go?)
>
> Can't think of anything else, but I'm not great on the imagination thing.
>
> I'm particularly fragmented now, but soon I'll want to focus on only a few
> projects, so I'm offering to help any sort of concrete goals.  I have only
> an oldish plug, probably a year old now, but it's dedicated to Plan 9.
>
> Mind you, so is the YeeLoong and that doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
>
> ++L
>
>


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Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[erik quanstrom]

> Now, how do I tell it to use the USB stick as a root filesystem?  I'm
> guessing I'll want to have two partitions, one to hold the image and another
> as a native P4 fs of some sort (if only to get case-sensitive filenames).

what do you mean by "image" here?

- erik

Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[Paul Lalonde]

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On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:06 AM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@labs.coraid.com>wrote:

> > Now, how do I tell it to use the USB stick as a root filesystem?  I'm
> > guessing I'll want to have two partitions, one to hold the image and
> another
> > as a native P4 fs of some sort (if only to get case-sensitive filenames).
>
> what do you mean by "image" here?
>
> - erik
>
>


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Re: [9fans] Trap in 5c compiling rc?

[erik quanstrom]

now that paul has things fixed, perhaps this is of no value, but since it's
already done, i'll put it out there.

i've generated two tarballs, one for 16-bit runes, and one for 32-bit runes
containing /arm with libraries executables.

	hget ftp://ftp.quanstro.net/other/slasharm16.tbz | bunzip | @{cd / ; tar x arm/bin}
	# sha1sum
	# cb057e9335c99b5f75f715358735653a8b1fe17c	slasharm16.tbz

or for 32-bit runes (use this if you're using 9atom)
	hget ftp://ftp.quanstro.net/other/slasharm32.tbz | bunzip | @{cd / ; tar x arm/bin}
	# sha1sum
	# 259cc9de0e22df4a8039f74de433486ce6342ea5	slasharm32.tbz

- erik

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