[9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme

[9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme

[Christopher Hobbs]

Do I need a specific font to render carriage returns properly?  This
is from acme on p9p:  http://cl.ly/image/0H0n2F1s1e0e

The same behavior is visible in 9term as well.  I have the issue both
on p9p and vanilla plan9.

Thanks.

--
Christopher M. Hobbs
http://altbit.org

Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme

[cinap_lenrek]

no. changing the font also wont get rid of the ansi escape
codes. plan9 text console is not a tty. read the recent
(ssh) posts on this mailinglist as it touches the topic
of chaning the terminal output to something acme/plan9
can handle.

--
cinap

Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme

[erik quanstrom]

On Tue Sep 11 23:59:33 EDT 2012, chris@altbit.org wrote:
> Do I need a specific font to render carriage returns properly?  This
> is from acme on p9p:  http://cl.ly/image/0H0n2F1s1e0e
> 
> The same behavior is visible in 9term as well.  I have the issue both
> on p9p and vanilla plan9.

could you define "properly".  that looks right to me.

unix/plan 9 don't use nl+cr.  the carrage return harkens
back to the days when the console had an actual typewriter
carrage which needed to be sent back to the left.  in the
very old days, even before consoles with printer heads,
there was a manual return lever and a linefeed key.  since
the early 1960s  (half a century!) return, has, uh, been return.
☺

- erik

Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme

[Bruce Ellis]

my adsl router has a telnet interface that won't dumb down (i.e. be
sensible). it is more than tedious watching it try to backspace over
stuff and move the cursor about. hey guys, don't do that crap!

On 12 September 2012 14:06,  <cinap_lenrek@gmx.de> wrote:
> no. changing the font also wont get rid of the ansi escape
> codes. plan9 text console is not a tty. read the recent
> (ssh) posts on this mailinglist as it touches the topic
> of chaning the terminal output to something acme/plan9
> can handle.
>
> --
> cinap

Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme

[Matthew Veety]

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On Sep 12, 2012 12:48 AM, "Bruce Ellis" <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> my adsl router has a telnet interface that won't dumb down (i.e. be
> sensible). it is more than tedious watching it try to backspace over
> stuff and move the cursor about. hey guys, don't do that crap!

You can make a telnet client that dumbs down the stream to your terminal.
Telnet is trivial to implement.

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Veety

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Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme

[Bruce Ellis]

Brilliant! Write a program because the router is stupid. Anything else
you would like me to write while I'm at it?

brucee

On 13 September 2012 00:30, Matthew Veety <mveety@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sep 12, 2012 12:48 AM, "Bruce Ellis" <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> my adsl router has a telnet interface that won't dumb down (i.e. be
>> sensible). it is more than tedious watching it try to backspace over
>> stuff and move the cursor about. hey guys, don't do that crap!
>
> You can make a telnet client that dumbs down the stream to your terminal.
> Telnet is trivial to implement.
>
> --
> Veety



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Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme

[Charles Forsyth]

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That's a bit elaborate. vt(1) might be easier.

On 12 September 2012 15:30, Matthew Veety <mveety@gmail.com> wrote:

> You can make a telnet client that dumbs down the stream to your terminal.
> Telnet is trivial to implement.

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Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme

[Bruce Ellis]

Indeed. Though I'm waiting for the trivial implementation that does
something imaginative with the batshit practice of overwriting lines
using CR without LF.

brucee

On 13 September 2012 10:02, Charles Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's a bit elaborate. vt(1) might be easier.
>
>
> On 12 September 2012 15:30, Matthew Veety <mveety@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You can make a telnet client that dumbs down the stream to your terminal.
>> Telnet is trivial to implement.
>
>

Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme

[Skip Tavakkolian]

without a LF how will the sprockets pulling the screen up vt(1) get activated?

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Indeed. Though I'm waiting for the trivial implementation that does
> something imaginative with the batshit practice of overwriting lines
> using CR without LF.
>
> brucee
>
> On 13 September 2012 10:02, Charles Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That's a bit elaborate. vt(1) might be easier.
>>
>>
>> On 12 September 2012 15:30, Matthew Veety <mveety@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> You can make a telnet client that dumbs down the stream to your terminal.
>>> Telnet is trivial to implement.
>>
>>
>

Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme

[erik quanstrom]

On Wed Sep 12 20:13:38 EDT 2012, skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com wrote:
> without a LF how will the sprockets pulling the screen up vt(1) get activated?
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Indeed. Though I'm waiting for the trivial implementation that does
> > something imaginative with the batshit practice of overwriting lines
> > using CR without LF.

now that you mention it, vt is missing the flyback transformer whine.  you
should be able to *hear* what's displayed.

- erik

Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme

[Bruce Ellis]

Perhaps decwriter(1) should be on someone's list. Then we can all
not-sleep at night. And if things are running too fast the 110 baud
switch could be used.

brucee

On 13 September 2012 10:15, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
> On Wed Sep 12 20:13:38 EDT 2012, skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com wrote:
>> without a LF how will the sprockets pulling the screen up vt(1) get activated?
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Indeed. Though I'm waiting for the trivial implementation that does
>> > something imaginative with the batshit practice of overwriting lines
>> > using CR without LF.
>
> now that you mention it, vt is missing the flyback transformer whine.  you
> should be able to *hear* what's displayed.
>
> - erik
>

Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme

[erik quanstrom]

On Wed Sep 12 20:23:02 EDT 2012, bruce.ellis@gmail.com wrote:
> Perhaps decwriter(1) should be on someone's list. Then we can all
> not-sleep at night. And if things are running too fast the 110 baud
> switch could be used.

make sure to include the ever-popular LOC switch.  just
to see if the n00bs are paying attention.

- erik

Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme

[Steve Simon]

> now that you mention it, vt is missing the flyback transformer whine.  you
> should be able to *hear* what's displayed.

perhaps it is there an you are no-longer able to hear it? :-)

I can no longer hear line rate in the UK (15.625kHz).

-Steve

Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme

[erik quanstrom]

On Thu Sep 13 06:15:03 EDT 2012, steve@quintile.net wrote:
> > now that you mention it, vt is missing the flyback transformer whine.  you
> > should be able to *hear* what's displayed.
>
> perhaps it is there an you are no-longer able to hear it? :-)
>
> I can no longer hear line rate in the UK (15.625kHz).

i can hear the power supply in my test machine.  i don't know
it starts up like a hurd of mice and then pavarotti the mouse
solos.  that mouse has some pipes.

- erik

Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme

[michaelian ennis]

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Christopher Hobbs <chris@altbit.org> wrote:
> Do I need a specific font to render carriage returns properly?  This
> is from acme on p9p:  http://cl.ly/image/0H0n2F1s1e0e

If that is a "win" it looks to me like you should be able to fix that
with unalias -a.    Otherwise you should be able to tell whatever
program that is to not use ansi escape chars.  I'd look for colorize
or something like that in the documentation or look at the TERM=
environment variable.

Cheers,
Ian