* [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme
@ 2012-09-12 3:57 Christopher Hobbs
2012-09-12 4:06 ` cinap_lenrek
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From: Christopher Hobbs @ 2012-09-12 3:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
Do I need a specific font to render carriage returns properly? This
is from acme on p9p: http://cl.ly/image/0H0n2F1s1e0e
The same behavior is visible in 9term as well. I have the issue both
on p9p and vanilla plan9.
Thanks.
--
Christopher M. Hobbs
http://altbit.org
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2012-09-12 3:57 [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme Christopher Hobbs
@ 2012-09-12 4:06 ` cinap_lenrek
2012-09-12 4:48 ` Bruce Ellis
2012-09-12 4:08 ` erik quanstrom
2012-09-17 12:44 ` michaelian ennis
2 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: cinap_lenrek @ 2012-09-12 4:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
no. changing the font also wont get rid of the ansi escape
codes. plan9 text console is not a tty. read the recent
(ssh) posts on this mailinglist as it touches the topic
of chaning the terminal output to something acme/plan9
can handle.
--
cinap
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* Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme
2012-09-12 4:06 ` cinap_lenrek
@ 2012-09-12 4:48 ` Bruce Ellis
2012-09-12 14:30 ` Matthew Veety
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From: Bruce Ellis @ 2012-09-12 4:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
my adsl router has a telnet interface that won't dumb down (i.e. be
sensible). it is more than tedious watching it try to backspace over
stuff and move the cursor about. hey guys, don't do that crap!
On 12 September 2012 14:06, <cinap_lenrek@gmx.de> wrote:
> no. changing the font also wont get rid of the ansi escape
> codes. plan9 text console is not a tty. read the recent
> (ssh) posts on this mailinglist as it touches the topic
> of chaning the terminal output to something acme/plan9
> can handle.
>
> --
> cinap
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* Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme
2012-09-12 4:48 ` Bruce Ellis
@ 2012-09-12 14:30 ` Matthew Veety
2012-09-12 23:39 ` Bruce Ellis
2012-09-13 0:02 ` Charles Forsyth
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From: Matthew Veety @ 2012-09-12 14:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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On Sep 12, 2012 12:48 AM, "Bruce Ellis" <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> my adsl router has a telnet interface that won't dumb down (i.e. be
> sensible). it is more than tedious watching it try to backspace over
> stuff and move the cursor about. hey guys, don't do that crap!
You can make a telnet client that dumbs down the stream to your terminal.
Telnet is trivial to implement.
--
Veety
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* Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme
2012-09-12 14:30 ` Matthew Veety
@ 2012-09-12 23:39 ` Bruce Ellis
2012-09-13 0:02 ` Charles Forsyth
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From: Bruce Ellis @ 2012-09-12 23:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Brilliant! Write a program because the router is stupid. Anything else
you would like me to write while I'm at it?
brucee
On 13 September 2012 00:30, Matthew Veety <mveety@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sep 12, 2012 12:48 AM, "Bruce Ellis" <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> my adsl router has a telnet interface that won't dumb down (i.e. be
>> sensible). it is more than tedious watching it try to backspace over
>> stuff and move the cursor about. hey guys, don't do that crap!
>
> You can make a telnet client that dumbs down the stream to your terminal.
> Telnet is trivial to implement.
>
> --
> Veety
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* Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme
2012-09-12 14:30 ` Matthew Veety
2012-09-12 23:39 ` Bruce Ellis
@ 2012-09-13 0:02 ` Charles Forsyth
2012-09-13 0:07 ` Bruce Ellis
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From: Charles Forsyth @ 2012-09-13 0:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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That's a bit elaborate. vt(1) might be easier.
On 12 September 2012 15:30, Matthew Veety <mveety@gmail.com> wrote:
> You can make a telnet client that dumbs down the stream to your terminal.
> Telnet is trivial to implement.
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* Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme
2012-09-13 0:02 ` Charles Forsyth
@ 2012-09-13 0:07 ` Bruce Ellis
2012-09-13 0:12 ` Skip Tavakkolian
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From: Bruce Ellis @ 2012-09-13 0:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Indeed. Though I'm waiting for the trivial implementation that does
something imaginative with the batshit practice of overwriting lines
using CR without LF.
brucee
On 13 September 2012 10:02, Charles Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's a bit elaborate. vt(1) might be easier.
>
>
> On 12 September 2012 15:30, Matthew Veety <mveety@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You can make a telnet client that dumbs down the stream to your terminal.
>> Telnet is trivial to implement.
>
>
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* Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme
2012-09-13 0:07 ` Bruce Ellis
@ 2012-09-13 0:12 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2012-09-13 0:15 ` erik quanstrom
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Skip Tavakkolian @ 2012-09-13 0:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
without a LF how will the sprockets pulling the screen up vt(1) get activated?
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Indeed. Though I'm waiting for the trivial implementation that does
> something imaginative with the batshit practice of overwriting lines
> using CR without LF.
>
> brucee
>
> On 13 September 2012 10:02, Charles Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That's a bit elaborate. vt(1) might be easier.
>>
>>
>> On 12 September 2012 15:30, Matthew Veety <mveety@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> You can make a telnet client that dumbs down the stream to your terminal.
>>> Telnet is trivial to implement.
>>
>>
>
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* Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme
2012-09-13 0:12 ` Skip Tavakkolian
@ 2012-09-13 0:15 ` erik quanstrom
2012-09-13 0:22 ` Bruce Ellis
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2012-09-13 0:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: skip.tavakkolian, 9fans
On Wed Sep 12 20:13:38 EDT 2012, skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com wrote:
> without a LF how will the sprockets pulling the screen up vt(1) get activated?
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Indeed. Though I'm waiting for the trivial implementation that does
> > something imaginative with the batshit practice of overwriting lines
> > using CR without LF.
now that you mention it, vt is missing the flyback transformer whine. you
should be able to *hear* what's displayed.
- erik
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2012-09-13 0:15 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2012-09-13 0:22 ` Bruce Ellis
[not found] ` <CAJQxxw=BPuX4kBr3_t2g7Pn9zMU3bw24W4T3jbr4=BMJ=bEm5g@mail.gmail.c>
2012-09-13 10:13 ` Steve Simon
2 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Ellis @ 2012-09-13 0:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Perhaps decwriter(1) should be on someone's list. Then we can all
not-sleep at night. And if things are running too fast the 110 baud
switch could be used.
brucee
On 13 September 2012 10:15, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
> On Wed Sep 12 20:13:38 EDT 2012, skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com wrote:
>> without a LF how will the sprockets pulling the screen up vt(1) get activated?
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Indeed. Though I'm waiting for the trivial implementation that does
>> > something imaginative with the batshit practice of overwriting lines
>> > using CR without LF.
>
> now that you mention it, vt is missing the flyback transformer whine. you
> should be able to *hear* what's displayed.
>
> - erik
>
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* Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme
2012-09-13 0:15 ` erik quanstrom
2012-09-13 0:22 ` Bruce Ellis
[not found] ` <CAJQxxw=BPuX4kBr3_t2g7Pn9zMU3bw24W4T3jbr4=BMJ=bEm5g@mail.gmail.c>
@ 2012-09-13 10:13 ` Steve Simon
2012-09-13 13:49 ` erik quanstrom
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From: Steve Simon @ 2012-09-13 10:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> now that you mention it, vt is missing the flyback transformer whine. you
> should be able to *hear* what's displayed.
perhaps it is there an you are no-longer able to hear it? :-)
I can no longer hear line rate in the UK (15.625kHz).
-Steve
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2012-09-13 10:13 ` Steve Simon
@ 2012-09-13 13:49 ` erik quanstrom
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2012-09-13 13:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: steve, 9fans
On Thu Sep 13 06:15:03 EDT 2012, steve@quintile.net wrote:
> > now that you mention it, vt is missing the flyback transformer whine. you
> > should be able to *hear* what's displayed.
>
> perhaps it is there an you are no-longer able to hear it? :-)
>
> I can no longer hear line rate in the UK (15.625kHz).
i can hear the power supply in my test machine. i don't know
it starts up like a hurd of mice and then pavarotti the mouse
solos. that mouse has some pipes.
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme
2012-09-12 3:57 [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme Christopher Hobbs
2012-09-12 4:06 ` cinap_lenrek
@ 2012-09-12 4:08 ` erik quanstrom
2012-09-17 12:44 ` michaelian ennis
2 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: erik quanstrom @ 2012-09-12 4:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Tue Sep 11 23:59:33 EDT 2012, chris@altbit.org wrote:
> Do I need a specific font to render carriage returns properly? This
> is from acme on p9p: http://cl.ly/image/0H0n2F1s1e0e
>
> The same behavior is visible in 9term as well. I have the issue both
> on p9p and vanilla plan9.
could you define "properly". that looks right to me.
unix/plan 9 don't use nl+cr. the carrage return harkens
back to the days when the console had an actual typewriter
carrage which needed to be sent back to the left. in the
very old days, even before consoles with printer heads,
there was a manual return lever and a linefeed key. since
the early 1960s (half a century!) return, has, uh, been return.
☺
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme
2012-09-12 3:57 [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme Christopher Hobbs
2012-09-12 4:06 ` cinap_lenrek
2012-09-12 4:08 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2012-09-17 12:44 ` michaelian ennis
2 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: michaelian ennis @ 2012-09-17 12:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Christopher Hobbs <chris@altbit.org> wrote:
> Do I need a specific font to render carriage returns properly? This
> is from acme on p9p: http://cl.ly/image/0H0n2F1s1e0e
If that is a "win" it looks to me like you should be able to fix that
with unalias -a. Otherwise you should be able to tell whatever
program that is to not use ansi escape chars. I'd look for colorize
or something like that in the documentation or look at the TERM=
environment variable.
Cheers,
Ian
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