* Re: [9fans] build iso's plan9 for amd64, atom, arm, powerpc
2013-01-02 20:11 ` John Floren
@ 2013-01-02 20:19 ` Francesco Cardi
2013-01-02 20:45 ` erik quanstrom
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From: Francesco Cardi @ 2013-01-02 20:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> What I think people are trying to say is that this doesn't really make
> a lot of sense. The AMD64 system doesn't have any installer work done
> for it at all--I think it's not far off, but to the best of my
> knowledge nobody has built a CDROM that boots the 64-bit kernel and
> gives you the installer from there (Erik, have you done this yet?).
> I've never even SEEN an ARM system with a CD-ROM, and it's uncertain
> if a given ARM system's bootloader will support booting from a USB
> CD-ROM drive; it's just not how OSes are installed on ARM!
operating systems such as the family has bsd iso images for
architecture selection, plan 9 does not have all the iso images
because it has so many volunteers, but if it is possible to compile
the kernel for the amd64 architecture is also can create the iso with
the new kernel loaded, the same thing is to arm, not a problem if the
problem is not a CD i do not have an iso for the architecture that i
use, you have the link to the documentation?
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* Re: [9fans] build iso's plan9 for amd64, atom, arm, powerpc
2013-01-02 20:11 ` John Floren
2013-01-02 20:19 ` Francesco Cardi
@ 2013-01-02 20:45 ` erik quanstrom
2013-01-02 20:56 ` erik quanstrom
2013-01-03 0:08 ` Matthew Veety
2013-01-03 22:42 ` Gorka Guardiola
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2013-01-02 20:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> knowledge nobody has built a CDROM that boots the 64-bit kernel and
> gives you the installer from there (Erik, have you done this yet?).
no, i don't see the point. it's a multi platform thing and there is nothing
lost in installing or installing from the 32-bit binaries, even if you run
a 64-bit kernel.
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] build iso's plan9 for amd64, atom, arm, powerpc
2013-01-02 20:11 ` John Floren
2013-01-02 20:19 ` Francesco Cardi
2013-01-02 20:45 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2013-01-03 0:08 ` Matthew Veety
2013-01-03 0:15 ` Francesco Cardi
2013-01-03 22:42 ` Gorka Guardiola
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From: Matthew Veety @ 2013-01-03 0:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
I think some of the acorn machines had CDROM drives. They can't boot from them though.
On Jan 2, 2013, at 15:11, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
> What I think people are trying to say is that this doesn't really make
> a lot of sense. The AMD64 system doesn't have any installer work done
> for it at all--I think it's not far off, but to the best of my
> knowledge nobody has built a CDROM that boots the 64-bit kernel and
> gives you the installer from there (Erik, have you done this yet?).
> I've never even SEEN an ARM system with a CD-ROM, and it's uncertain
> if a given ARM system's bootloader will support booting from a USB
> CD-ROM drive; it's just not how OSes are installed on ARM!
>
>
> john
>
> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Francesco Cardi
> <cardifrancesco@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think the most practical thing is to create an iso based on the
>> specific architecture you have, you have to give me the link, the
>> messages I have written does not give me complete information but they
>> are only concepts, I need documntazione I want to build a iso, do not
>> want to create a combo iso for various things
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cardi Francesco alias Il Parente
>> Free Software activist
>> CEO/President Movimento Culturale GNU CODICE LIBERO
>>
>> Diaspora*: https://joindiaspora.com/u/ilparente
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* Re: [9fans] build iso's plan9 for amd64, atom, arm, powerpc
2013-01-03 0:08 ` Matthew Veety
@ 2013-01-03 0:15 ` Francesco Cardi
2013-01-03 17:39 ` Matthew Veety
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From: Francesco Cardi @ 2013-01-03 0:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> I think some of the acorn machines had CDROM drives. They can't boot from them though.
right and so it's like I said, I read in the documentation that you
have loaded the kernel-specific architecture along, I want to load the
kernel and then create an iso with that kernel, the same thing has
been made with nix-os is to plan 9 amd64.
There is documentation to create the iso?
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* Re: [9fans] build iso's plan9 for amd64, atom, arm, powerpc
2013-01-03 0:15 ` Francesco Cardi
@ 2013-01-03 17:39 ` Matthew Veety
2013-01-03 19:20 ` Francesco Cardi
2013-01-03 19:35 ` Iruatã Souza
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From: Matthew Veety @ 2013-01-03 17:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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Here's how to make a 9front iso. I would guess
that building a bell labs dist is similar.
http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/build
--
Veety
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* Re: [9fans] build iso's plan9 for amd64, atom, arm, powerpc
2013-01-03 17:39 ` Matthew Veety
@ 2013-01-03 19:20 ` Francesco Cardi
2013-01-03 19:35 ` Iruatã Souza
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From: Francesco Cardi @ 2013-01-03 19:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> Here's how to make a 9front iso. I would guess
> that building a bell labs dist is similar.
>
> http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/build
>
> --
> Veety
very good thanks, if I have problems or questions ask you something.
greetings
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* Re: [9fans] build iso's plan9 for amd64, atom, arm, powerpc
2013-01-03 17:39 ` Matthew Veety
2013-01-03 19:20 ` Francesco Cardi
@ 2013-01-03 19:35 ` Iruatã Souza
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From: Iruatã Souza @ 2013-01-03 19:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Matthew Veety <mveety@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here's how to make a 9front iso. I would guess
> that building a bell labs dist is similar.
>
> http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/build
>
> --
> Veety
Not that similar.
http://maht0x0r.blogspot.com.br/2007/11/roll-your-own-plan9-iso.html
used to work for the labs version.
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* Re: [9fans] build iso's plan9 for amd64, atom, arm, powerpc
2013-01-02 20:11 ` John Floren
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2013-01-03 0:08 ` Matthew Veety
@ 2013-01-03 22:42 ` Gorka Guardiola
2013-01-03 22:43 ` Gorka Guardiola
2013-01-03 23:13 ` erik quanstrom
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From: Gorka Guardiola @ 2013-01-03 22:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:11 PM, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
> What I think people are trying to say is that this doesn't really make
> a lot of sense. The AMD64 system doesn't have any installer work done
> for it at all--I think it's not far off, but to the best of my
> knowledge nobody has built a CDROM that boots the 64-bit kernel and
I did boot nix with the new boot loaders from a CD image, so that part
worked. Erik is using a different boot loader I think, but it probably works too
(it boot in 32 bit mode after all...).
After booting the kernel, as Erik says, it should not be too hard.
For ARM Richard Miller is doing an excellent work with his prerrolled
Plan 9 images for the raspberry pi, so that is probably the way to go.
G.
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* Re: [9fans] build iso's plan9 for amd64, atom, arm, powerpc
2013-01-03 22:42 ` Gorka Guardiola
@ 2013-01-03 22:43 ` Gorka Guardiola
2013-01-03 23:13 ` erik quanstrom
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From: Gorka Guardiola @ 2013-01-03 22:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> (it boot in 32 bit mode after all...).
>
Actually 16 bit mode...
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* Re: [9fans] build iso's plan9 for amd64, atom, arm, powerpc
2013-01-03 22:42 ` Gorka Guardiola
2013-01-03 22:43 ` Gorka Guardiola
@ 2013-01-03 23:13 ` erik quanstrom
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2013-01-03 23:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: paurea, 9fans
> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:11 PM, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
> > What I think people are trying to say is that this doesn't really make
> > a lot of sense. The AMD64 system doesn't have any installer work done
> > for it at all--I think it's not far off, but to the best of my
> > knowledge nobody has built a CDROM that boots the 64-bit kernel and
the 9atom cd boots to 32-bits, but the 64-bit kernels are right there.
it should be no problem if you have a 64-bit capable machine to boot
into a 64-bit kernel after compiling /sys/src.
the reason i don't boot directly to 64-bits is because that's probablly
a lot of busy work without a lot of benefit. also all 64-bit intel run
32-bit kernels, but not vice-versa.
> I did boot nix with the new boot loaders from a CD image, so that part
> worked. Erik is using a different boot loader I think, but it probably works too
> (it boot in 32 bit mode after all...).
yes, iplpxe which really is a slight reworking of cinap's work.
while it starts in 16-bit mode, it does all of its work in 32-bit
segmented mode. (that is, paging is off.)
it has the ability to boot 64-bit, pae or po32b. (plain old 32-bit.)
the main requirement to boot 64-bit it to accept S_MAGIC.
(i am still using ye olde 9load-e820 on the cd. this is laziness.
it can also boot a 64-bit kernel, though. but it does not have
boot menus.)
> After booting the kernel, as Erik says, it should not be too hard.
>
> For ARM Richard Miller is doing an excellent work with his prerrolled
> Plan 9 images for the raspberry pi, so that is probably the way to go.
9atom2 includes rpi. install on a 32- or 64-bit intel, and
cd /sys/src;
objtype=arm mk install
- erik
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