Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

[hiro <23hiro@gmail.com>]

ok, that is undeniably activity.

now i'm giving an even more *horrible* metric of activity, to defend
our confusion at least slightly. 9front activity during the same
period:
hg log|sed -n '1,/Mar 18.*2016/p'|grep changeset|wc -l
2282

here i give only the count of commits, and hope somebody will feel
motivated to check the actual content instead of me reciting them all
here. in the end what matters is what is inside. there have been lots
of improvements to plan 9 you can find 9front.

9front contributions in my opinion are far from superficial or
cosmetic as the art analogy earlier seemed to suggest. it's not only
new drivers, there are also deeper changes, lots of bugfixes,
updating, polishing has been done. quality has generally improved a
lot - i wonder what gave anybody the opposite impression...

it makes me sad to believe that regardless of our cultural differences
you cannot see the technical merit of what has been contributed to
9front.

how about more people try to actually use the software that has been
contributed, so that we together have a chance to at least praise all
the guys doing the heavy lifting (not me). apart from miller, i don't
feel like most people having this discussion here are at all invested,
i.e. contributing any code...

thanks for your work, too, richard miller, i finally got a rpi4, and
i'm enjoying 4k@60hz native plan9. it's something none of the much
more expensive modern intel igpu can even deliver via hdmi :)
and the usb is working, and the gigabit ethernet is working. it's phenomenal.
i never gave you much thanks before this because i had such awful
experiences with rpi hardware that i could not even fathom anybody's
investment in such flawed hardware.
but now that they have fixed their hardware i can truly make use of
your software, too. turns out to be a great choice after all: a niche
product/form-factor, but well worth it.
and so, thanks again.

with enough space to put all the thinkpads and rpi4 and big 4k screen
and keyboard and mouse, i hope i will sooner rather than later not
only administer, but instead use plan 9 as intended as a development
environment and contribute something back. i hope people can relate in
the meantime.

On 11/24/19, Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com> wrote:
>> The most official looking site for vanilla plan9 is 9p.io.  It
>> doesn't show any sign of activity since 2015.
>
> Please look more closely:
>
> cpu% srv -n 9p.io sources /n/sources
> post...
> cpu% ls -lrt /n/sources/patch/*/files|tail -24
> --rw-rw-r-- M 2032 fst        sys 160 Mar 18  2016
> /n/sources/patch/kexportfs/files
> --rw-rw-r-- M 2032 miller     sys 102 Apr 19  2016
> /n/sources/patch/segment-overlap/files
> --rw-rw-r-- M 2032 miller     sys  30 Apr 19  2016
> /n/sources/patch/proc-smp-fixes/files
> --rw-rw-r-- M 2032 miller     sys 172 Apr 19  2016
> /n/sources/patch/armv7-atomic/files
> --rw-rw-r-- M 2032 djc        sys  36 Apr 19  2016
> /n/sources/patch/pread-offset/files
> --rw-rw-r-- M 2032 fst        sys  33 May 22  2016
> /n/sources/patch/dial-await-bug/files
> --rw-rw-r-- M 2032 miller     sys  38 May 29  2016
> /n/sources/patch/usbserial-ftdi-writelen/files
> --rw-rw-r-- M 2032 bootes     sys  76 May 29  2016
> /n/sources/patch/usbether-rpi/files
> --rw-rw-r-- M 2032 miller     sys  29 May 30  2016
> /n/sources/patch/ramfs-fixes/files
> --rw-rw-r-- M 2032 miller     sys 272 Nov  6  2016
> /n/sources/patch/wpa-psk/files
> --rw-rw-r-- M 2032 fst        sys  43 Feb  9  2017
> /n/sources/patch/tcp-halfduplex-close/files
> --rw-rw-r-- M 2032 stevesimon sys  44 Feb 21  2017
> /n/sources/patch/sed-unbuffered/files
> --rw-rw-r-- M 2032 miller     sys 102 Mar 13  2017
> /n/sources/patch/usb-ether-cdc/files
> --rw-rw-r-- M 2032 stevesimon sys  38 Mar 14  2017
> /n/sources/patch/httpfile-suicide/files
> --rw-rw-rw- M 2032 none       sys  41 Jun 29  2017
> /n/sources/patch/ndb-remove-cast/files
> --rw-rw-rw- M 2032 none       sys  27 Aug 30  2017
> /n/sources/patch/comm-utf-sort/files
> --rw-rw-rw- M 2032 none       sys  29 Aug 30  2017
> /n/sources/patch/ascii-extra-newline/files
> --rw-rw-rw- M 2032 none       sys  35 Aug 31  2017
> /n/sources/patch/gmtime-tzoff-unset/files
> --rw-rw-r-- M 2032 miller     sys 297 Apr  5  2018
> /n/sources/patch/usb-ether-lan78xx/files
> --rw-rw-r-- M 2032 miller     sys  36 Apr  5  2018
> /n/sources/patch/exec-postnote-race/files
> --rw-rw-r-- M 2032 miller     sys  30 Apr  5  2018
> /n/sources/patch/exit-wrong-parent/files
> --rw-rw-r-- M 2032 miller     sys  28 Apr  9  2018
> /n/sources/patch/ssh2-dh-group14/files
> --rw-rw-r-- M 2032 miller     sys  33 Apr  9  2018
> /n/sources/patch/aes-ctr/files
> --rw-rw-r-- M 2032 miller     sys 114 Apr  9  2018
> /n/sources/patch/ssh2-aes-ctr/files
> cpu%
>
> Not a huge amount of churn there, but still a "sign of activity".
>
>> I've been around for a while and I
>> would have trouble finding the bits needed for a day-to-day usable
>> system outside of the 9front world.
>
> "Usable" is a function of who's doing the using.  I use the Labs version
> every day and it does what I need. If another version suits somebody else,
> that's great.
>
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