[9fans] usb configuration

[9fans] usb configuration

[Richard Miller]

I am curious about this comment:

/n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/usb/lib/dev.c:231,235
	/*
	 * Several hubs are returning descriptors of 17 bytes, not 18.
	 * We accept them and leave number of configurations as zero.
	 * (a get configuration descriptor also fails for them!)
	 */

Does anyone know which particular devices this refers to?  Has anyone tried
issuing the Rgetdesc command with a length of 18 bytes instead of 18+255 bytes
as the existing code does?  The usb specification says a device descriptor
is 18 bytes, so why not read exactly that length?  In the case of the hub in the
iMac keyboard, doing that seems to get rid of the "bug: out of configurations"
message.  I'm inclined to offer that as a correction but not if it would break
any known devices.

Re: [9fans] usb configuration

[erik quanstrom]

> Does anyone know which particular devices this refers to?  Has anyone tried
> issuing the Rgetdesc command with a length of 18 bytes instead of 18+255 bytes
> as the existing code does?  The usb specification says a device descriptor
> is 18 bytes, so why not read exactly that length?  In the case of the hub in the
> iMac keyboard, doing that seems to get rid of the "bug: out of configurations"
> message.  I'm inclined to offer that as a correction but not if it would break
> any known devices.

you beat me to it.  :-).  i think that just reading the correct number of bytes
will solve the problem.  my apple imac style keyboard is an example of such
a device.  model a1048.  the same keyboard works on another intel machine.
could it be a timing issue?

- erik

Re: [9fans] usb configuration

[Richard Miller]

> you beat me to it

Yes, we're obviously working in parallel.

I've also spotted that loaddevstr is very wrong.  First it reads into
a 128-byte buffer, when the spec says strings are up to 256 bytes
(including type and length codes).  Then it ignores the length code at
the beginning of the string and uses the number of bytes returned by
the Rgetdesc, which would explain why usb/probe often shows garbage
trailing characters in vendor and device identifiers.

Re: [9fans] usb configuration

[erik quanstrom]

so the keyboard is not working, and usbd gets the closedevice message,
but usb/kb doesn't exit.  could there be some confusion about which devices
belong to which hubs.

- erik


---
#l3: i40: 40000Mbps port 0xfffffe00f9000000 tbdf 2.0.1 tu 1514 6805ca1f72f1
acpi: enable interrupt
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep1.0 starting
/boot/usbd: opendev 0x439bd8 /dev/usb/ep1.0
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep1.0: ports 2 maxpkt 64
/boot/usbd: hub 0x439b78 allocated: ports 2 pwrms 0 max curr 0 pwrm 0 cmp 0 leds 0
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep2.0 starting
/boot/usbd: opendev 0x439db8 /dev/usb/ep2.0
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep2.0: ports 2 maxpkt 64
/boot/usbd: hub 0x439d58 allocated: ports 2 pwrms 0 max curr 0 pwrm 0 cmp 0 leds 0
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep2.0: port 1 attach sts 0x401
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep2.0: port 1: attached status 0x403
/boot/usbd: opendev 0x439f38 /dev/usb/ep3.0
/boot/usbd; /dev/usb/ep2.0: port 1: maxpkt 64
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep3.0 csp hub.0.1 vid 0x8087 did 0x0024 refs 1
	none <nil> <nil>
	conf: cval 1 attrib e0 0 mA
		iface csp hub.0.0
		  alt 0 attr 3 ival 12
		  ep id 1 addr 129 dir in type intr itype 0 maxpkt 1 ntds 1
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep2.0: port 1: configed: /dev/usb/ep3.0
/boot/usbd: hub 0x43a858 allocated: ports 6 pwrms 100 max curr 0 pwrm 1 cmp 0 leds 0
usb/hub... /boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep3.0 port 1: sts - 0x0 -> - 0x100
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep3.0: port 2 attach sts 0x101
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep3.0: port 2: attached status 0x103
/boot/usbd: opendev 0x43a8b8 /dev/usb/ep4.0
/boot/usbd; /dev/usb/ep3.0: port 2: maxpkt 8
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep4.0 csp hub.0.0 vid 0x05ac did 0x1003 refs 1
	Mitsumi ElectricB Hub in Apple Extended USB Keyboard none
	conf: cval 1 attrib a0 50 mA
		iface csp hub.0.0
		  alt 0 attr 3 ival 255
		  ep id 1 addr 129 dir in type intr itype 0 maxpkt 1 ntds 1
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep3.0: port 2: configed: /dev/usb/ep4.0
/boot/usbd: hub 0x4291c8 allocated: ports 3 pwrms 100 max curr 50 pwrm 1 cmp 1 leds 0
usb/hub... /boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep4.0 port 1: sts - 0x0 -> - 0x100
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep4.0 port 2: sts - 0x0 -> - 0x100
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep4.0: port 3 attach sts 0x101
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep4.0: port 3: attached status 0x103
/boot/usbd: opendev 0x429308 /dev/usb/ep5.0
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep4.0: port 3: attach setaddress: transaction error
/boot/usbd: closedev 0x429308 /dev/usb/ep5.0
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep3.0 port 2: sts p 0x101 -> ep 0x103
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep3.0 port 3: sts - 0x0 -> - 0x100
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep3.0 port 4: sts - 0x0 -> - 0x100
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep3.0 port 5: sts - 0x0 -> - 0x100
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep3.0 port 6: sts - 0x0 -> - 0x100
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep2.0 port 1: sts hp 0x401 -> hep 0x403
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep1.0: port 1 attach sts 0x401
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep1.0: port 1: attached status 0x403
/boot/usbd: opendev 0x429308 /dev/usb/ep5.0
/boot/usbd; /dev/usb/ep1.0: port 1: maxpkt 64
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep5.0 csp hub.0.1 vid 0x8087 did 0x0024 refs 1
	none <nil> <nil>
	conf: cval 1 attrib e0 0 mA
		iface csp hub.0.0
		  alt 0 attr 3 ival 12
		  ep id 1 addr 129 dir in type intr itype 0 maxpkt 1 ntds 1
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep1.0: port 1: configed: /dev/usb/ep5.0
/boot/usbd: hub 0x429c28 allocated: ports 6 pwrms 100 max curr 0 pwrm 1 cmp 0 leds 0
usb/hub... /boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep5.0 port 1: sts - 0x0 -> - 0x100
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep5.0: port 2 attach sts 0x101
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep5.0: port 2: attached status 0x103
/boot/usbd: opendev 0x429e08 /dev/usb/ep6.0
/boot/usbd; /dev/usb/ep5.0: port 2: maxpkt 64
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep6.0 csp hid.1.2 vid 0x0557 did 0x2221 refs 1
	Winbond Electronics CorpB Hermon USB hidmouse Device none
	conf: cval 1 attrib e0 100 mA
		iface csp hid.1.2
		  alt 0 attr 3 ival 10
		  ep id 2 addr 130 dir in type intr itype 0 maxpkt 8 ntds 1
		iface csp hid.1.1
		  alt 0 attr 3 ival 10
		  ep id 1 addr 129 dir in type intr itype 0 maxpkt 8 ntds 1
		dev desc 21[9]:  09 21 00 01 00 01 22 4f 00
		dev desc 21[9]:  09 21 00 01 00 01 22 40 00
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep5.0: port 2: configed: /dev/usb/ep6.0
/boot/usbd: start: kb -N 0 -d
/boot/usbd: opendev 0x42b7e8 /dev/usb/ep6.0
kb: main: dev /dev/usb/ep6.0 ref 1
usb/kb... /boot/usbd: opendev 0x42ac08 /dev/usb/ep6.1
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep6.1: maxpkt 8
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep6.1: ntds 1
setting boot protocol
kb: #m/mousein: unknown device in # filename
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep5.0 port 3: sts - 0x0 -> - 0x100
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep5.0 port 4: sts - 0x0 -> - 0x100
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep5.0 port 5: sts - 0x0 -> - 0x100
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep5.0 port 6: sts - 0x0 -> - 0x100
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep1.0 port 1: sts hp 0x401 -> hep 0x403
/boot/usbd: fsadd usbdctl
sdE0: llba 976,773,168 512-byte sectors
  ST9500530NS SN04 9SP1HX8K [newdrive]
ipconfig...PFPG	0
/boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep5.0 port 2: sts p 0x101 -> ep 0x103
connect...
version...t.
icr 02000000 00000000 00000000
icr 04000000 80100401 00000004
#l3: i40:pf 1: hmcerr 80100401 00000004

init: starting /bin/rc
ivey# ps -a | grep kb
bootes            3    0:00   0:00        0K Wakeme   conskbdq
bootes            4    0:00   0:00        0K Wakeme   conskbdq
bootes            9    0:00   0:00     4096K Pread    usbd [kbd /dev/usb/ep6.1]
bootes           10    0:00   0:00     4096K Rendez   usbd [kbd repeat]
bootes           11    0:00   0:00     4096K Sleep    usbd [kbd reptimer]
bootes          160    0:00   0:00     4096K Pread    grep kb
ivey#
ivey#
ivey#
ivey# /boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep3.0: port 2: detached
/boot/usbd: closing hub 0x4291c8
/boot/usbd: closedev 0x43a8b8 /dev/usb/ep4.0

ivey# ps -a | grep kbd
bootes            3    0:00   0:00        0K Wakeme   conskbdq
bootes            4    0:00   0:00        0K Wakeme   conskbdq
bootes            9    0:00   0:00     4096K Pread    usbd [kbd /dev/usb/ep6.1]
bootes           10    0:00   0:00     4096K Rendez   usbd [kbd repeat]
bootes           11    0:00   0:00     4096K Sleep    usbd [kbd reptimer]
bootes          164    0:00   0:00     4096K Pread    grep kbd

Re: [9fans] usb configuration

[cinap_lenrek]

yes, reading 18 bytes only works fine. its the case for 9front
since Jul 5, 2013:

http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/source/detail?r=9b01e8e632771c0ec2e28b32ddd28ed44b49a0f8&path=/sys/src/cmd/nusb/lib/dev.c

--
cinap

Re: [9fans] usb configuration

[Richard Miller]

> its the case for 9front
> since Jul 5, 2013:

When you find and fix a bug which is applicable to Plan 9 in general,
it would be really really helpful to offer it as a patch, to avoid
the rest of us having to waste our time going over the same ground.

Or have we completely degenerated into a "my fork is better than
yours" contest?

Re: [9fans] usb configuration

[cinap_lenrek]

i answered your request to tell that we'r using that particular
change for quite a while now and havnt found any issues. thats
all.

--
cinap

Re: [9fans] usb configuration

[erik quanstrom]

On Mon Mar  3 10:25:14 EST 2014, cinap_lenrek@felloff.net wrote:
> i answered your request to tell that we'r using that particular
> change for quite a while now and havnt found any issues. thats
> all.

thanks, the answer was helpful.

- erik

Re: [9fans] usb configuration

[erik quanstrom]

> Or have we completely degenerated into a "my fork is better than
> yours" contest?

i hope we haven't.  but i might be guilty myself.  unfortunately,
so many small, tight bugfixes go unapplied or rejected.  "maybe"
seems to count as rejection.  it's hard to keep up the spirit.

i don't blame anybody.  reviewing patches is hard, and thankless.
and speaking for myself, submitters are sure the world revolves around
their favorite patch.

but imho, plan 9 would be better for more patches being applied.
i'm willing to put my money where my mouth is.

- erik

Re: [9fans] usb configuration

[Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan]

On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 9:07 PM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
>> Or have we completely degenerated into a "my fork is better than
>> yours" contest?
>
> i hope we haven't.  but i might be guilty myself.  unfortunately,
> so many small, tight bugfixes go unapplied or rejected.  "maybe"
> seems to count as rejection.  it's hard to keep up the spirit.
>
> i don't blame anybody.  reviewing patches is hard, and thankless.
> and speaking for myself, submitters are sure the world revolves around
> their favorite patch.
>
> but imho, plan 9 would be better for more patches being applied.
> i'm willing to put my money where my mouth is.

I am glad, my RPi keyboard/mouse problems indirectly caused some very
nice discussions and debugging! Thanks to you and Richard! I finally
got a powered USB hub today, but I forgot my SD Card at work. (Bakul:
I could bootup Rasbian on my hardware.)

I will try out my RPi though I don't expect any miracles. I don't have
any more keyboard/mouse to try -- which means, this is more or less a
dead end for me at the moment. I will eagerly wait for a new release
image with fixes. (hint! hint!)

Meanwhile, I ordered a used Evoluent vertical mouse from ebay and hope
to get started with plan9 from userspace. I couldn't find any other
usable 3 button mouse in the market here in India.

--
  Ramakrishnan

Re: [9fans] usb configuration

[erik quanstrom]

> Meanwhile, I ordered a used Evoluent vertical mouse from ebay and hope
> to get started with plan9 from userspace. I couldn't find any other
> usable 3 button mouse in the market here in India.

lenovo sells a 3-button mouse with a scroll button.  the click
feature is seperate from the button so it's very usable.

- erik

Re: [9fans] usb configuration

[Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan]

On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:02 PM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
>> Meanwhile, I ordered a used Evoluent vertical mouse from ebay and hope
>> to get started with plan9 from userspace. I couldn't find any other
>> usable 3 button mouse in the market here in India.
>
> lenovo sells a 3-button mouse with a scroll button.  the click
> feature is seperate from the button so it's very usable.

This one?

<http://support.lenovo.com/en_IN/product-and-parts/detail.page?&LegacyDocID=MIGR-43954>

--
  Ramakrishnan

Re: [9fans] usb configuration

[Joseph Thompson]

That's one of the mice mentioned on the wiki.  It's a great mouse in my experience, though it doesn't have a normal scroll wheel, more like the trackpoint on thinkpads.  It works with a passive PS/2 adapter if you need to use it on an older machine, too.

Be warned of its Amazon and Ebay listings, though.  It is a laser mouse with no included PS/2 adapter, despite the listings' descriptions stating that it's an optical mouse with said adapter included, at least in my experience.

On March 3, 2014 12:41:35 PM EST, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan <vu3rdd@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:02 PM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
>wrote:
>>> Meanwhile, I ordered a used Evoluent vertical mouse from ebay and
>hope
>>> to get started with plan9 from userspace. I couldn't find any other
>>> usable 3 button mouse in the market here in India.
>>
>> lenovo sells a 3-button mouse with a scroll button.  the click
>> feature is seperate from the button so it's very usable.
>
>This one?
>
><http://support.lenovo.com/en_IN/product-and-parts/detail.page?&LegacyDocID=MIGR-43954>

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [9fans] usb configuration

[erik quanstrom]

> This one?
>
> <http://support.lenovo.com/en_IN/product-and-parts/detail.page?&LegacyDocID=MIGR-43954>

yes.

- erik

Re: [9fans] usb configuration

[Nicolas Bercher]

On 03/03/2014 18:41, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:02 PM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
>>> Meanwhile, I ordered a used Evoluent vertical mouse from ebay and hope
>>> to get started with plan9 from userspace. I couldn't find any other
>>> usable 3 button mouse in the market here in India.
>>
>> lenovo sells a 3-button mouse with a scroll button.  the click
>> feature is seperate from the button so it's very usable.
>
> This one?
>
> <http://support.lenovo.com/en_IN/product-and-parts/detail.page?&LegacyDocID=MIGR-43954>

Yes it is.  I have one.

And I hate its scroll button,
but I love its three buttons!

Nicolas

Re: [9fans] usb configuration

[Steve Simon]

> And I hate its scroll button,
> but I love its three buttons!

I hate scroll buttons too.

I was very happy when I discovered the dell DY651A mouse:

http://www8.hp.com/uk/en/products/oas/product-detail.html?oid=403895#!tab=features

also branded as IBM "M-U0013-o"

-Steve

Re: [9fans] usb configuration

[Mark van Atten]

Yes, I also use the DY651A, and like you am very happy with it.

I wasn't aware that it is also available under a different brand;
thanks for mentioning it.

Mark.

Re: [9fans] usb configuration

[Nicolas Bercher]

On 04/03/2014 12:28, Steve Simon wrote:
>> And I hate its scroll button,
>> but I love its three buttons!
>
> I hate scroll buttons too.
>
> I was very happy when I discovered the dell DY651A mouse:
>
> http://www8.hp.com/uk/en/products/oas/product-detail.html?oid=403895#!tab=features
>
> also branded as IBM "M-U0013-o"
>
> -Steve

Thank you Steve.

Now, what is miss would be a mouse like the Dell DY651A + a lateral
scrolling wheel, maybe.

[The thing is that I took the habit of using scrolling wheels, maybe
this is a habit I can forget.  Forgetting such habits may help to do
better work in the sense that it would avoid compulsive maneuvers,
compulsive scroll here.  And let the good ideas flow.]

Nicolas