* [9fans] Sorry, i'm a novice @ 2003-05-06 20:52 Oscar Cuadrado 2003-05-06 21:48 ` Russ Cox ` (4 more replies) 0 siblings, 5 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Oscar Cuadrado @ 2003-05-06 20:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Hi, 9fans: I met plan 9 in a talk in the UAM in Madrid (Spain) about security in Plan 9 and i was 'flashed' when Russ Cox introduced some concepts of this OS. So here i am, trying to initiate me in Plan 9. My request is for some instructions about installation, first steps, plan9 applications programming and similars... I expect you to have any time to spend with a novice, and thanks very much to all. Grettings. Square. P.D.: i've downloaded some manuals but i prefer the first-hand information ;) ___________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Nueva versi�n GRATIS Super Webcam, voz, caritas animadas, y m�s... http://messenger.yahoo.es ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Sorry, i'm a novice 2003-05-06 20:52 [9fans] Sorry, i'm a novice Oscar Cuadrado @ 2003-05-06 21:48 ` Russ Cox 2003-05-06 21:56 ` Andrew ` (3 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Russ Cox @ 2003-05-06 21:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans The best information about installation and first steps is on the wiki: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9. Russ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Sorry, i'm a novice 2003-05-06 20:52 [9fans] Sorry, i'm a novice Oscar Cuadrado 2003-05-06 21:48 ` Russ Cox @ 2003-05-06 21:56 ` Andrew 2003-05-06 22:14 ` Russ Cox 2003-05-06 22:33 ` Andrew Simmons ` (2 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Andrew @ 2003-05-06 21:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Im a novice too, but I'll share some insight, scattered thoughts, and experience. its a long post, so I apologize. I think the first thing to figure out is what sort of installation are you aiming for? Did you want to stay with just a standalone system or expand out to a multi-system installation? if you are just interested in getting going with plan9 I would just go for a standalone system and later if you want, expand out. When I first installed plan9, I knew from the start that I wanted to grow past a single system. In retrospect I probably spent too little time learning about the system to attack setting up a full distributed system. Most of what I figured out was by doing. The manuals and wiki are enough to get you going, but from then on you just have to play around and break stuff. I think my dad put it best, learning an OS is kind of like wandering around in San Francisco, the way you figure out where things are is to get yourself completely lost, then find your way about out again. Its often not easy, but you learn a lot doing it. Whenever I've had a major problem, such that ive almost given up and asked the list, a solution presented itself a few moments later. I would (like to) imagine many other people have had similiar experiences. The pleasant thing about plan9 is there arent many surprises or hidden traps, everything is simple, when you finally figure something out, you think to yourself 'well of course, that makes perfect sense!' To get going, unless things have changed, get a floppy image from website. Then boot from there. The installer should get you a basic system going. From then, well...try to set up basic services. Try building a kernel, if you're like me your jaw will drop when you see how fast a kernel compile goes compared to most unix kernels. I would play around with factotum, and binding namespaces in creative ways. Learn sam, its like ed, but has some cool features. If you're brave learn ed. Ive learned to use it since most of my 'servers' lack decent video cards and boot to the console. Learn how the boot process works. the plan9.ini file has gotten pretty simple, but its still good to understand the process. You'll also want to get reasonably comfortable with replica, so you can keep your system updated. If you're feeling pretty comfortable and want to expand, try adding a cpu/fossil server. despite what the wiki says, bootstrapping a fossil system is actually pretty easy. The only real glitch I had was getting the system on the network quickly, which involved adding two lines to the boot file. Try making terminals, I usually make them hard-driveless, and boot from the floppy. Andrew On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 10:52:37PM +0200, Oscar Cuadrado wrote: > Hi, 9fans: > > I met plan 9 in a talk in the UAM in Madrid (Spain) > about security in Plan 9 and i was 'flashed' when Russ > Cox introduced some concepts of this OS. > > So here i am, trying to initiate me in Plan 9. My > request is for some instructions about installation, > first steps, plan9 applications programming and > similars... > > I expect you to have any time to spend with a > novice, and thanks very much to all. > > Grettings. > > Square. > > P.D.: i've downloaded some manuals but i prefer the > first-hand information ;) > > ___________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - Nueva versi?n GRATIS > Super Webcam, voz, caritas animadas, y m?s... > http://messenger.yahoo.es ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Sorry, i'm a novice 2003-05-06 21:56 ` Andrew @ 2003-05-06 22:14 ` Russ Cox 2003-05-06 22:54 ` Andrew 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Russ Cox @ 2003-05-06 22:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > with factotum, and binding namespaces in creative ways. Learn sam, > its like ed, but has some cool features. If you're brave learn ed. Ive > learned to use it since most of my 'servers' lack decent video cards > and boot to the console. Learn acme! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Sorry, i'm a novice 2003-05-06 22:14 ` Russ Cox @ 2003-05-06 22:54 ` Andrew 2003-05-07 0:43 ` Sam 2003-05-07 1:25 ` Russ Cox 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Andrew @ 2003-05-06 22:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 06:14:41PM -0400, Russ Cox wrote: > > with factotum, and binding namespaces in creative ways. Learn sam, > > its like ed, but has some cool features. If you're brave learn ed. Ive > > learned to use it since most of my 'servers' lack decent video cards > > and boot to the console. > > Learn acme! > how does one edit files in acme? ive never been able to figure that out. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Sorry, i'm a novice 2003-05-06 22:54 ` Andrew @ 2003-05-07 0:43 ` Sam 2003-05-07 1:25 ` Russ Cox 1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Sam @ 2003-05-07 0:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > how does one edit files in acme? > ive never been able to figure that out. > Plan9 is so easy to install, even the illiterate can do it. Sam rtfm, inc ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Sorry, i'm a novice 2003-05-06 22:54 ` Andrew 2003-05-07 0:43 ` Sam @ 2003-05-07 1:25 ` Russ Cox 1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Russ Cox @ 2003-05-07 1:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans The wiki has a nice tutorial, as does /usr/glenda/readme.acme in a stock install. If you log in as glenda after an install, the tutorial comes up automatically. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Sorry, i'm a novice 2003-05-06 20:52 [9fans] Sorry, i'm a novice Oscar Cuadrado 2003-05-06 21:48 ` Russ Cox 2003-05-06 21:56 ` Andrew @ 2003-05-06 22:33 ` Andrew Simmons 2003-05-07 2:48 ` Andrew 2003-05-07 7:37 ` Fco.J.Ballesteros 2003-05-07 10:05 ` matt 4 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Andrew Simmons @ 2003-05-06 22:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans I'm just a dabbler rather than a serious user, but I found running under VMWare a very painless way of getting familiar with the system without going through the installation troubles that some people have. Having played around for a while, I took the plunge and installed on a real machine - the instructions on the Wiki are straightforward to follow, and I was lucky enough to have just about no problems except a slight hiccup configuring the screen resolution. (As a bonus, the installation found a 1GB partition I never knew I had. Thanks guys.) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Sorry, i'm a novice 2003-05-06 22:33 ` Andrew Simmons @ 2003-05-07 2:48 ` Andrew 2003-05-07 3:56 ` northern snowfall 2003-05-07 14:32 ` andrey mirtchovski 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Andrew @ 2003-05-07 2:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans One other thing I do a lot is use the drawterm program. I dont even know if its supported anymore, and its not a real plan9 terminal, but you can connect to plan9 cpu server and play around a bit, its basically like a terminal you ran 'cpu' in then ran rio. My network has finally gotten setup (ie yesterday) to the point that im mostly comfortable giving out free accounts just for fun. So if you want to go that route, anyone is certainly welcome to an account. On Wed, May 07, 2003 at 10:33:48AM +1200, Andrew Simmons wrote: > I'm just a dabbler rather than a serious user, but I found running under > VMWare a very painless way of getting familiar with the system without going > through the installation troubles that some people have. Having played > around for a while, I took the plunge and installed on a real machine - the > instructions on the Wiki are straightforward to follow, and I was lucky > enough to have just about no problems except a slight hiccup configuring the > screen resolution. (As a bonus, the installation found a 1GB partition I > never knew I had. Thanks guys.) > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Sorry, i'm a novice 2003-05-07 2:48 ` Andrew @ 2003-05-07 3:56 ` northern snowfall 2003-05-07 14:32 ` andrey mirtchovski 1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: northern snowfall @ 2003-05-07 3:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > > >My network has finally >gotten setup (ie yesterday) to the point that im mostly comfortable >giving out free accounts just for fun. So if you want to go that route, >anyone is certainly welcome to an account. > Beware geeks bearing gifts ;) jk > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Sorry, i'm a novice 2003-05-07 2:48 ` Andrew 2003-05-07 3:56 ` northern snowfall @ 2003-05-07 14:32 ` andrey mirtchovski 2001-05-08 2:30 ` A.S. Kukhar 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: andrey mirtchovski @ 2003-05-07 14:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans I do the same thing -- I boot a vmware cpu/auth/kfs server under host-only network, then on the same machine I forward tcp ports 567 and 17013 to the ip address of the vmware image and give accounts to my friends to play around with. The speed is quite reasonable and the machine (a 2ghz PIII) rarely feels bogged down (stupid stock redhat kernel renices vmware to -10, so my music stops playing whenever I compile anything, but I switch it back to 0)... I also never use the vmware window -- I don't like how it handles the mouse -- so I just start drawterm, even if I'm on the same machine... Never had problems with the network in vmware... andrey On Tue, 6 May 2003, Andrew wrote: > One other thing I do a lot is use the drawterm program. I dont even > know if its supported anymore, and its not a real plan9 terminal, but > you can connect to plan9 cpu server and play around a bit, its basically > like a terminal you ran 'cpu' in then ran rio. My network has finally > gotten setup (ie yesterday) to the point that im mostly comfortable > giving out free accounts just for fun. So if you want to go that route, > anyone is certainly welcome to an account. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Sorry, i'm a novice 2003-05-07 14:32 ` andrey mirtchovski @ 2001-05-08 2:30 ` A.S. Kukhar 2003-05-07 19:45 ` George Gensure 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: A.S. Kukhar @ 2001-05-08 2:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans namesake you probably wanted to say a 2ghz P4? > ... > The speed is quite reasonable and the > machine (a 2ghz PIII) rarely feels bogged down > ... > andrey ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Sorry, i'm a novice 2001-05-08 2:30 ` A.S. Kukhar @ 2003-05-07 19:45 ` George Gensure 2003-05-08 4:14 ` A.S. Kukhar 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: George Gensure @ 2003-05-07 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans A.S. Kukhar wrote: >namesake you probably wanted to say a 2ghz P4? > > My god, a 2ghz P4 in 2001? Amazing how fast processors are getting. Now they're going back in time. (snicker) -George ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Sorry, i'm a novice 2003-05-07 19:45 ` George Gensure @ 2003-05-08 4:14 ` A.S. Kukhar 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: A.S. Kukhar @ 2003-05-08 4:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans oh yes, this is something like "back to the future" or "forth to the past", check this George. -kyxap > My god, a 2ghz P4 in 2001? Amazing how fast processors > are getting. Now they're going back in time. > > (snicker) > -George ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Sorry, i'm a novice 2003-05-06 20:52 [9fans] Sorry, i'm a novice Oscar Cuadrado ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2003-05-06 22:33 ` Andrew Simmons @ 2003-05-07 7:37 ` Fco.J.Ballesteros 2003-05-07 10:05 ` matt 4 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Fco.J.Ballesteros @ 2003-05-07 7:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 341 bytes --] If you're in the UAM you're pretty close to our site, at urjc in Madrid. Don't think twice and ask for any help you need, or visit us. We have a full network with a fossil (venti) file server and could be of help to setup something similar. The invitation for visiting urjc is also for any other 9fan that might be close to us too. [-- Attachment #2: Type: message/rfc822, Size: 1963 bytes --] From: "Oscar Cuadrado" <estoril_psycho@yahoo.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Sorry, i'm a novice Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 22:52:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <20030506205237.76067.qmail@web10302.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, 9fans: I met plan 9 in a talk in the UAM in Madrid (Spain) about security in Plan 9 and i was 'flashed' when Russ Cox introduced some concepts of this OS. So here i am, trying to initiate me in Plan 9. My request is for some instructions about installation, first steps, plan9 applications programming and similars... I expect you to have any time to spend with a novice, and thanks very much to all. Grettings. Square. P.D.: i've downloaded some manuals but i prefer the first-hand information ;) ___________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Nueva versi�n GRATIS Super Webcam, voz, caritas animadas, y m�s... http://messenger.yahoo.es ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Sorry, i'm a novice 2003-05-06 20:52 [9fans] Sorry, i'm a novice Oscar Cuadrado ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 2003-05-07 7:37 ` Fco.J.Ballesteros @ 2003-05-07 10:05 ` matt 4 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: matt @ 2003-05-07 10:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Welcome Oscar, I'm sure I speak on behalf of everyone here when I say I hope you come to get something out of plan9. My suggestion would be write some code, particularly exercising the networking aspects and user level file systems. In doing so you should come across most of plan9 concepts, read quite a bit of it's manual pages and source code, use the tools such as the plumber and acme and maybe sam, get frustrated and, hopefully, finish elated. buena suerte matt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
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