[9fans] PLAN9

[9fans] PLAN9

[csant]

	http://plan9.info/

Programming LANguage 9...
/c

Re: [9fans] PLAN9

[Skip Tavakkolian]

> 	http://plan9.info/
> 
> Programming LANguage 9...

why do people do that?

Re: [9fans] PLAN9

[Charles Forsyth]

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i liked Strachey's use of OS/6 for his operating system:
he thought that at the rate he implemented things,
there was little chance of a name collision.
i think it was also the first system featuring
``streams''.

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From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com>
To: csant@csant.info, 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [9fans] PLAN9
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 07:53:00 -0700
Message-ID: <1b1215bdf6dc83d7f8210674aa688dca@9netics.com>

> 	http://plan9.info/
> 
> Programming LANguage 9...

why do people do that?

Re: [9fans] PLAN9

[Skip Tavakkolian]

> i liked Strachey's use of OS/6 for his operating system:
> he thought that at the rate he implemented things,
> there was little chance of a name collision.

somebody should have told him about Microware's OS/9 (back in '80s)

this reminds me of a George Carlin joke:
	"Do you realize that somewhere in the world there exists a
	person who qualifies as the worst doctor?  If you took the
	time, by process of elimination you could actually determine
	the worst doctor in the world.  And the funny part is knowing
	that someone has an appointment to see him tomorrow."

Re: [9fans] PLAN9

[LiteStar numnums]

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>
> why do people do that?
>
I don't know, but this has to be about the worst way to learn how to
program...
What's wrong with logo's turtle? Besides, you can make this machine loop
infintely simply by placing things outside the box...


-- 
Lead thou me on, O Zeus, and Destiny,
To that goal long ago to me assigned.
I'll follow and not falter; if my will
Prove weak and craven, still I'll follow on.
-- Epictetus

He who enters his wife's dressing room is a philosopher or a fool. -- Balzac

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Re: [9fans] PLAN9

[Sascha Retzki]

> why do people do that?
>

Hey, asking things.. when are they sued this time?

And what happened to our beloved Plan 9 Linux?

Re: [9fans] PLAN9

[Charles Forsyth]

>Hey, asking things.. when are they sued this time?

the trademark is [correctly] registered by Lucent only for
``operating system computer programs'', not for programming language(s).

Re: [9fans] PLAN9

[Wes Kussmaul]

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Re: [9fans] PLAN9

[Charles Forsyth]

> In the U.S., that's close enough to constitute a case.

not invariably for computer software (excluding evident intent to mislead for instance wrt origin),
since it's one of the classes considered to allow many non-interfering subclasses.
someone would have to decide whether that's true in this case
(and of course there are many other rules considered).
if Lucent had registered it as a general software product brand name
and used it as such, it would be different, but `Plan 9' was restricted at registration.
for similar reasons, there is more than one `Inferno' in software.
the US PTO demanded quite a bit of evidence of real use for Inferno,
and expected a reasonably refined goods & services, before registration.
i don't think they went as far as actually installing it.

Re: [9fans] PLAN9

[Sascha Retzki]

>>Hey, asking things.. when are they sued this time?
> 
> the trademark is [correctly] registered by Lucent only for
> ``operating system computer programs'', not for programming language(s).

What a pity.

Re: [9fans] PLAN9

[Skip Tavakkolian]

>> why do people do that?
>>
> I don't know, but this has to be about the worst way to learn how to
> program...
> What's wrong with logo's turtle? Besides, you can make this machine loop
> infintely simply by placing things outside the box...

that makes me wonder if it isn't a joke (on purpose).

Re: [9fans] PLAN9

[Skip Tavakkolian]

sorry, i screwed up. i looked at "Strachey" and saw "Stamey" (of Prog LANg 9 fame).
Thanks Bakul. 

>> > i liked Strachey's use of OS/6 for his operating system:
>> > he thought that at the rate he implemented things,
>> > there was little chance of a name collision.
>> 
>> somebody should have told him about Microware's OS/9 (back in '80s)
> 
> OS/6 was done in 1970.  Strachey died in 1975.  He was one of
> my CS heroes, having to do with denotational semantics,
> continuations, and a whole bunch of other things including
> possibly the first paper on multiprogramming in 1959.

[9fans] plan9

[Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan]

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hi all,
my paying job kept me busy for quite sometime. so far i couldnt spend as
much time on inferno/plan9 as i wanted to. but i have taken 2 weeks off and
i am happy that i will be using part of the free time to keep up with the
technology (so i will be posting more!).

specifically, i am trying to do this:

- bring up plan9 on my Mac Mini using Parallels for Mac (4 or at least 3).
- get plan9/inferno run on soekris net5501 board
- miscellaneous things on inferno/plan9.

thanks
dharani

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Re: [9fans] plan9

[erik quanstrom]

> - get plan9/inferno run on soekris net5501 board

i thought plan 9 ran just fine on those.

- erik

Re: [9fans] plan9

[Charles Forsyth]

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for plan 9, for the older 4501 i think i had to eliminate some cga references
in config and mkfile.  use a mkfile without cga.$O (this
would be better done by specifying cga in the other config files, since it's optional).
i used an earlier verson of the pcsoe config file below, but
had to add the dummy realmode this time to get it to compile.
that won't work unless there's a
plan9.ini as well with *norealmode=1
i can't remember what i did for plan9.ini.

for inferno i just needed a configuration file
because i'd once had to port it to a 386dx/16 without
cga, so i'd already made appropriate changes.

dev
	root
	cons
	arch
	pnp		pci
	env
	pipe
	proc
	mnt
	srv
	dup
	rtc
	ssl
	tls
	bridge		log
	sdp		thwack unthwack
	cap
	kprof

	ether		netif
	ip		arp chandial ip ipv6 ipaux iproute netlog nullmedium pktmedium ptclbsum386 inferno

	sd

	uart
	pccard
	i82365		cis

link
	devpccard
	devi82365
	ether83815	pci
	etherwavelan	wavelan devi82365 cis
	ethermedium
	loopbackmedium
	netdevmedium

misc

	uarti8250

	sdata		pci sdscsi

ip
	il
	tcp
	udp
	ipifc
	icmp
	icmp6
	gre
	ipmux
	esp
	rudp

port
	int cpuserver = 1;
	void screeninit(void){}
	void realmode(Ureg*){}

boot cpu
	il
	tcp

bootdir
	bootpcsoe.out boot
	/386/bin/ip/ipconfig ipconfig
	/386/bin/auth/factotum

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From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:11:48 -0500
Message-ID: <76c51075ce2d2dfbdc3dea36d375f8f4@quanstro.net>

> - get plan9/inferno run on soekris net5501 board

i thought plan 9 ran just fine on those.

- erik

Re: [9fans] plan9

[erik quanstrom]

> plan9.ini as well with *norealmode=1
> i can't remember what i did for plan9.ini.

i don't know if this causes trouble with memory sizing.
or of the 5501 supports e820 (mine do), but i've used
real820.s in /n/sources/contrib/quanstro/9loadaoe
(or 9boot) in 16bit mode so bios calls are a bit less
problematic.

- erik

Re: [9fans] plan9

[Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan]

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hi charles,
thanks for the details.

regards
dharani

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 6:03 AM, Charles Forsyth <forsyth@terzarima.net>wrote:

> for plan 9, for the older 4501 i think i had to eliminate some cga
> references
> in config and mkfile.  use a mkfile without cga.$O (this
> would be better done by specifying cga in the other config files, since
> it's optional).
> i used an earlier verson of the pcsoe config file below, but
> had to add the dummy realmode this time to get it to compile.
> that won't work unless there's a
> plan9.ini as well with *norealmode=1
> i can't remember what i did for plan9.ini.
>
> for inferno i just needed a configuration file
> because i'd once had to port it to a 386dx/16 without
> cga, so i'd already made appropriate changes.
>
> dev
>        root
>        cons
>        arch
>        pnp             pci
>        env
>        pipe
>        proc
>        mnt
>        srv
>        dup
>        rtc
>        ssl
>        tls
>        bridge          log
>        sdp             thwack unthwack
>        cap
>        kprof
>
>        ether           netif
>        ip              arp chandial ip ipv6 ipaux iproute netlog nullmedium
> pktmedium ptclbsum386 inferno
>
>        sd
>
>        uart
>        pccard
>        i82365          cis
>
> link
>        devpccard
>        devi82365
>        ether83815      pci
>        etherwavelan    wavelan devi82365 cis
>        ethermedium
>        loopbackmedium
>        netdevmedium
>
> misc
>
>        uarti8250
>
>        sdata           pci sdscsi
>
> ip
>        il
>        tcp
>        udp
>        ipifc
>        icmp
>        icmp6
>        gre
>        ipmux
>        esp
>        rudp
>
> port
>        int cpuserver = 1;
>        void screeninit(void){}
>        void realmode(Ureg*){}
>
> boot cpu
>        il
>        tcp
>
> bootdir
>        bootpcsoe.out boot
>        /386/bin/ip/ipconfig ipconfig
>        /386/bin/auth/factotum
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
> To: 9fans@9fans.net
> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:11:48 -0500
> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9
> > - get plan9/inferno run on soekris net5501 board
>
> i thought plan 9 ran just fine on those.
>
> - erik
>

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Re: [9fans] plan9

[Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan]

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hi erik,

thats good to know. long back i asked about support for 5501 in 9fans but
only now i got some free time to try it. as of now, i dont know what is
involved in getting it up and running. i am also planning to try various
things like boot with hard drive, flash drive, USB audio device, try
inferno, etc. i thought getting the devices up and running will be a
challenge. i also have a 4 port network card as an add on which i thought i
will try too.

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:11 AM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>wrote:

> > - get plan9/inferno run on soekris net5501 board
>
> i thought plan 9 ran just fine on those.
>
> - erik
>
>

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