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From: Jon Harrop <jonathandeanharrop@googlemail.com>
To: "'Gerd Stolpmann'" <info@gerd-stolpmann.de>
Cc: <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: RE: [Caml-list] Efficient OCaml multicore -- roadmap?
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:44:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <02ac01cbffa4$2721b130$75651390$@ffconsultancy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1301084818.8429.435.camel@thinkpad>

Gerd wrote:
> When you implement a message passing API for a high level language, the way
> to go is to provide message buffers in memory. When a thread delivers a
> message it just writes to the buffer. The real message, however, is sent by the
> hardware under the hood, and must be delivered until the reading thread
> synchronizes. The point is here, IMHO, that you exploit the features of the
> hardware the most when you do it in a way the hardware can deal best with.
> Thus a program written against the message passing API will finally be faster
> than one that uncritically assumes a uniform memory, and modifies memory in-
> place, and will finally suffer from cache line bouncing.

I think we should work through a concrete example like the one Hugo gave using message passing and the other approaches to multicore parallelism. The following F# function "f" takes "tree" and creates "n" derivative data structures by applying "g" to it and then applies "h" to it in order to perform the "subsequent processing":

# let f tree n g h = Array.Parallel.init n (fun i -> h(g i tree))
val f : 'a -> int -> (int -> 'a -> 'b) -> ('b -> 'c) -> 'c array

For example, take the set {2,4,6,8} and add each of 0..9 and then count the number of elements:

# f (set[2;4;6;8]) 10 Set.add Set.count;;
- : int array = [|5; 5; 4; 5; 4; 5; 4; 5; 4; 5|]

Try to solve the same problem using explicit message passing. 

> For current standard server hardware there are usually not enough CPUs to get a
> big effect. But in a few years it will be very important (as it is for current
> supercomputers), maybe even for standard 128 core laptops in 2015 (just
> guessing).

This needs quantifying. Dual core desktops became available with AMD's Athlon 64 X2 in 2005. Six years later, the widest multicore desktop Dell sells has only 6 cores and the widest server has only 12 cores (per CPU). If the trend continues, we'll barely have 18-core desktops by 2015 much less 128-core laptops.

Cheers,
Jon.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-04-20 21:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <2054357367.219171.1300974318806.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2011-03-24 23:13 ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-03-25  0:23   ` [Caml-list] " Sylvain Le Gall
2011-03-25  9:55   ` [Caml-list] " Alain Frisch
2011-03-25 11:44     ` Gerd Stolpmann
     [not found]   ` <1396338209.232813.1301046980856.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2011-03-25 10:23     ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-03-25 12:07       ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-04-16 12:12         ` Jon Harrop
2011-03-25 10:51   ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-03-25 12:25     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-03-25 12:58       ` Hugo Ferreira
     [not found]       ` <341494683.237537.1301057887481.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2011-03-25 13:10         ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-03-25 13:41           ` Dario Teixeira
2011-03-30 18:12             ` Jon Harrop
2011-03-25 15:44           ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-03-25 18:24             ` Martin Jambon
2011-03-25 19:19               ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-03-25 20:26                 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-03-26  9:11                   ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-03-26 10:31                   ` Richard W.M. Jones
2011-03-30 16:56                     ` Jon Harrop
2011-03-30 19:24                       ` Richard W.M. Jones
2011-04-20 21:44                   ` Jon Harrop [this message]
2011-04-19  9:57                 ` Eray Ozkural
2011-04-19 10:05                   ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-04-19 20:26                   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-04-20  7:59                     ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-04-20 12:30                       ` Markus Mottl
2011-04-20 12:53                         ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-04-20 13:22                           ` Markus Mottl
2011-04-20 14:00                       ` Edgar Friendly
2011-04-19 22:49                 ` Jon Harrop
2011-03-30 17:02               ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-20 19:23               ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-20 20:05                 ` Alexy Khrabrov
2011-04-20 23:00                   ` Jon Harrop
     [not found]                   ` <76544177.594058.1303341821437.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2011-04-21  7:48                     ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-04-21  8:35                       ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-04-23 17:32                         ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-21  9:09                       ` Alain Frisch
     [not found]                         ` <20110421.210304.1267840107736400776.Christophe.Troestler+ocaml@umons.ac.be>
2011-04-21 19:53                           ` Hezekiah M. Carty
2011-04-22  8:34                           ` Alain Frisch
     [not found]                         ` <799994864.610698.1303412613509.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2011-04-22  8:06                           ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-04-22  9:11                             ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-04-23 10:17                               ` Eray Ozkural
2011-04-23 13:47                                 ` Alexy Khrabrov
2011-04-23 17:39                                   ` Eray Ozkural
2011-04-23 20:18                                     ` Alexy Khrabrov
2011-04-23 21:18                                       ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-24  0:33                                       ` Eray Ozkural
2011-04-28 14:42                                         ` orbitz
2011-04-23 19:02                                 ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-22  9:44                             ` Vincent Aravantinos
2011-04-21 10:09                       ` Philippe Strauss
2011-04-23 17:44                         ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-23 17:05                       ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-20 20:30                 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-04-20 23:33                   ` Jon Harrop
2011-03-25 20:27             ` Philippe Strauss
2011-04-19 22:47           ` Jon Harrop
     [not found]           ` <869445701.579183.1303253283515.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2011-04-20  9:25             ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-03-25 18:45   ` Andrei Formiga
2011-03-30 17:00     ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-13  3:36   ` Lucas Dixon
2011-04-13 13:01     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-04-13 13:09       ` Lucas Dixon
2011-04-13 23:04       ` Goswin von Brederlow
2011-04-16 13:54     ` Jon Harrop
2011-03-24 13:44 Alexy Khrabrov
2011-03-24 14:57 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-03-24 15:03   ` Joel Reymont
2011-03-24 15:28     ` Guillaume Yziquel
2011-03-24 15:48       ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-03-24 15:38     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-03-25 19:49   ` Richard W.M. Jones

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