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From: Lucas Dixon <ldixon@inf.ed.ac.uk>
To: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Efficient OCaml multicore -- roadmap?
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:36:08 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DA51A28.1060709@inf.ed.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D8BD02D.1010505@inria.fr>

On 24/03/2011 19:13, Fabrice Le Fessant wrote:
> On 03/24/2011 02:45 PM, Alexy Khrabrov wrote:
>>> Where does the OCaml team stand on the multicore issues?  A year
>>> or so ago, when there was a prototype parallel GC implementation,
>>> IIRC, Xavier said it has to be done right.  So what are the
>>> official plans and the status of integrating what volunteers had
>>> done?
>>>
>>> WIth Scala having a robust actors model and AKKA kernel, and
>>> Clojure built around efficient shared memory concurrency with
>>> agents and references and STM, and Haskell also really parallel,
>>> OCaml is lacking behind.  Furthermore, F# builds on strongly
>>> parallel .NET, overcoming granddaddy.  With multicores common
>>> even in laptops and iPads, we need an efficient  multicore OCaml!
>>> Due to the model different from Haskell or Scala and Clojure, now
>>> all on github, OCaml is both more stable and also is slower to
>>> advance -- what do folks think about this situation?  How do you
>>> do shared memory parallelism now?
>>>
>>> Cheers, Alexy
>>>

The PolyML implementation of SML has had a multi-core runtime, without 
slowing down single-threaded programs for a few years now. It also has a 
concurrent garbage collector. The main problem currently seems to be 
that a lot of garbage gets produced, and memory access speeds end up 
being the main bottle-neck. But we do see 4-5x speed-up on 8 core 
machines for large real-world applications (in SML, our real world means 
a big formal proof development, or graph rewriting at the moment... but 
there's more fun stuff possible: http://kidkarolis.github.com/PolyChrome/)

Anyway, I suspect you'll run into some of the same issues as PolyML 
encountered; there's a paper or two by David Matthews on this stuff; 
(here's the first one I found: 
http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1708058&dl=ACM) and of course 
there is the source code too:
http://polyml.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/polyml/

Good luck with the OCaml version; it's been wanted for a long time! :)

best,
lucas



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-04-13  3:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <2054357367.219171.1300974318806.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2011-03-24 23:13 ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-03-25  0:23   ` [Caml-list] " Sylvain Le Gall
2011-03-25  9:55   ` [Caml-list] " Alain Frisch
2011-03-25 11:44     ` Gerd Stolpmann
     [not found]   ` <1396338209.232813.1301046980856.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2011-03-25 10:23     ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-03-25 12:07       ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-04-16 12:12         ` Jon Harrop
2011-03-25 10:51   ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-03-25 12:25     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-03-25 12:58       ` Hugo Ferreira
     [not found]       ` <341494683.237537.1301057887481.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2011-03-25 13:10         ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-03-25 13:41           ` Dario Teixeira
2011-03-30 18:12             ` Jon Harrop
2011-03-25 15:44           ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-03-25 18:24             ` Martin Jambon
2011-03-25 19:19               ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-03-25 20:26                 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-03-26  9:11                   ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-03-26 10:31                   ` Richard W.M. Jones
2011-03-30 16:56                     ` Jon Harrop
2011-03-30 19:24                       ` Richard W.M. Jones
2011-04-20 21:44                   ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-19  9:57                 ` Eray Ozkural
2011-04-19 10:05                   ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-04-19 20:26                   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-04-20  7:59                     ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-04-20 12:30                       ` Markus Mottl
2011-04-20 12:53                         ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-04-20 13:22                           ` Markus Mottl
2011-04-20 14:00                       ` Edgar Friendly
2011-04-19 22:49                 ` Jon Harrop
2011-03-30 17:02               ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-20 19:23               ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-20 20:05                 ` Alexy Khrabrov
2011-04-20 23:00                   ` Jon Harrop
     [not found]                   ` <76544177.594058.1303341821437.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2011-04-21  7:48                     ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-04-21  8:35                       ` Hugo Ferreira
2011-04-23 17:32                         ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-21  9:09                       ` Alain Frisch
     [not found]                         ` <799994864.610698.1303412613509.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2011-04-22  8:06                           ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-04-22  9:11                             ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-04-23 10:17                               ` Eray Ozkural
2011-04-23 13:47                                 ` Alexy Khrabrov
2011-04-23 17:39                                   ` Eray Ozkural
2011-04-23 20:18                                     ` Alexy Khrabrov
2011-04-23 21:18                                       ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-24  0:33                                       ` Eray Ozkural
2011-04-28 14:42                                         ` orbitz
2011-04-23 19:02                                 ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-22  9:44                             ` Vincent Aravantinos
     [not found]                         ` <20110421.210304.1267840107736400776.Christophe.Troestler+ocaml@umons.ac.be>
2011-04-21 19:53                           ` Hezekiah M. Carty
2011-04-22  8:34                           ` Alain Frisch
2011-04-21 10:09                       ` Philippe Strauss
2011-04-23 17:44                         ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-23 17:05                       ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-20 20:30                 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-04-20 23:33                   ` Jon Harrop
2011-03-25 20:27             ` Philippe Strauss
2011-04-19 22:47           ` Jon Harrop
     [not found]           ` <869445701.579183.1303253283515.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2011-04-20  9:25             ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-03-25 18:45   ` Andrei Formiga
2011-03-30 17:00     ` Jon Harrop
2011-04-13  3:36   ` Lucas Dixon [this message]
2011-04-13 13:01     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-04-13 13:09       ` Lucas Dixon
2011-04-13 23:04       ` Goswin von Brederlow
2011-04-16 13:54     ` Jon Harrop
2011-03-24 13:44 Alexy Khrabrov
2011-03-24 14:57 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-03-24 15:03   ` Joel Reymont
2011-03-24 15:28     ` Guillaume Yziquel
2011-03-24 15:48       ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-03-24 15:38     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-03-25 19:49   ` Richard W.M. Jones

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