* [Caml-list] teaching Caml as a first language
2003-03-08 8:53 Vee Satayamas
@ 2003-03-08 9:06 ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2003-03-08 9:06 ` [Caml-list] Seth Kurtzberg
2003-03-08 15:23 ` [Caml-list] Teaching with Caml Geoff Wozniak
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From: Basile STARYNKEVITCH @ 2003-03-08 9:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
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>>>>> "Vee" == Vee Satayamas <liberalvee@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
Vee> Hello, I 'm interested in using Caml as the first language to
Vee> teach student. What is your opinion? Is there any place use
Vee> Caml as the first language in programming course.
CamlLight and Ocaml are already used at many places as a first
language. In particular in France in many classes préparatoires
(approximately college or Bachelor degree); and also in several US (&
European) universities.
I'm not a teacher, but I am sure you'll get lots of positive replies.
I would suggest (if possible) to use a Unix (or Linux) system to teach
a programming course. Two major reasons are: the Unix programming
environrment (in particular with Emacs and the Ocaml debugger) is
better for Ocaml than Windows, and also teaching rudiment of Unix in
programming courses always help (in particular to tell students that
there are several operating systems).
The Caml site gives several books (english, french, german) used in
teaching programming with Caml.
Regards.
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2003-03-08 8:53 Vee Satayamas
2003-03-08 9:06 ` [Caml-list] teaching Caml as a first language Basile STARYNKEVITCH
@ 2003-03-08 9:06 ` Seth Kurtzberg
2003-03-10 16:51 ` Brian Hurt
2003-03-08 15:23 ` [Caml-list] Teaching with Caml Geoff Wozniak
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From: Seth Kurtzberg @ 2003-03-08 9:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Vee Satayamas, caml-list
My inclination is that this is perhaps not the best approach. As OCaml is
using concepts and methods from a wide variety of languages, jumping straight
into OCaml might make it difficult for the student to understand and absorb
the different paradigms.
On Saturday 08 March 2003 01:53 am, Vee Satayamas wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I 'm interested in using Caml as the
> first language to teach student.
> What is your opinion? Is there any
> place use Caml as the first language
> in programming course.
>
> Thank you,
> Vee Satayamas
>
> =====
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> My homepage : http://www.geocities.com/liberalvee
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* Re: [Caml-list] Re:
2003-03-08 9:06 ` [Caml-list] Seth Kurtzberg
@ 2003-03-10 16:51 ` Brian Hurt
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From: Brian Hurt @ 2003-03-10 16:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Seth Kurtzberg; +Cc: Vee Satayamas, caml-list
They're teaching C++ as a first language these days. You simply don't
touch on the more complicated aspects of the language. Or don't teach
them until you're good and ready to teach them.
Brian
On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Seth Kurtzberg wrote:
> My inclination is that this is perhaps not the best approach. As OCaml is
> using concepts and methods from a wide variety of languages, jumping straight
> into OCaml might make it difficult for the student to understand and absorb
> the different paradigms.
>
> On Saturday 08 March 2003 01:53 am, Vee Satayamas wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I 'm interested in using Caml as the
> > first language to teach student.
> > What is your opinion? Is there any
> > place use Caml as the first language
> > in programming course.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Vee Satayamas
> >
> > =====
> > Please feel free to talk to me.
> > My homepage : http://www.geocities.com/liberalvee
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
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* [Caml-list] Teaching with Caml
2003-03-08 8:53 Vee Satayamas
2003-03-08 9:06 ` [Caml-list] teaching Caml as a first language Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2003-03-08 9:06 ` [Caml-list] Seth Kurtzberg
@ 2003-03-08 15:23 ` Geoff Wozniak
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From: Geoff Wozniak @ 2003-03-08 15:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Vee Satayamas writes:
>
> I'm interested in using Caml as the first language to teach student.
> What is your opinion? Is there any place use Caml as the first language
> in programming course.
>
I taught a third year programming languages course using OCaml as the
primary language, although I didn't go into anything that is beyond Caml
Light.
I will say that it was not well received, at first, since the background of
most students was C/C++/Java. Like any class, some students didn't care,
some actively hated it and other accepted it. By the end, I would say it
was generally well accepted, however, I doubt many continued to use it
after the course.
I think OCaml can work as a first language, especially since it accomodates
both functional and imperative styles. My students had trouble with the
functional aspects (such as functions as first-class values) due to two
years of working in imperative languages. I recommend focusing on the
functional style, myself :)
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University of Western Ontario
Computer Science Department
London, Ontario, Canada
http://wozniak.ca/
He who knows best knows how little he knows.
-- Benjamin Franklin
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