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From: Markus Mottl <markus@oefai.at>
To: Oleg <oleg_inconnu@myrealbox.com>
Cc: OCaml <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: productivity improvement
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:23:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020712112304.GC684@fichte.ai.univie.ac.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200207121035.GAA26600@dewberry.cc.columbia.edu>

On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Oleg wrote:
> Looking at Halo [1] credits, one can see that it was developed by about 10 
> programmers (there were also testers and artists involved). A single O'Caml 
> programmer capable of developing such a game alone should certainly stand to 
> make tons of money. Then why don't we see much software written in O'Caml?

Easy: almost all commercial and most academic programmers have never
heard of OCaml. That's a fact.

> I'm not buying the argument that "O'Caml isn't used in the industry
> because investors and project managers are stupid".

Nobody has ever said so. They are at least uninformed what concerns
this language. And even if they are informed, there are many commercial
reasons why OCaml might be a sub-optimal choice: lack of programmers,
lack of libraries for commercial purposes, etc. This is not just a matter
of language features.

> You don't need a project manager if you can replace a team of 100 C/C++
> programmers alone (or just 10 of them if you work in your spare time <
> 1 hour a day) [2]

Another reason why project managers don't want OCaml :-)

Now seriously, I don't quite get your argument. Do you have any
imagination, how difficult it is to find OCaml-programmers? I can tell
you of maybe three somewhat competent OCaml-programmers in my country.
Other programmers here are not incompetent in the sense that they don't
know how to program in general but in the sense that they have never used
(most often not even heard) of this language. If I founded a company
here using this technology, I'd get into very serious troubles when my
main programmer gets a brick on his head. Just too risky!

Regards,
Markus Mottl

-- 
Markus Mottl                                             markus@oefai.at
Austrian Research Institute
for Artificial Intelligence                  http://www.oefai.at/~markus
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  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-12 11:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-08 19:53 [Caml-list] " Oleg
2002-07-08 20:14 ` Michael Vanier
2002-07-10 15:50   ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-10 18:56     ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-10 19:09       ` Jun P.FURUSE
2002-07-11 23:43         ` Pierre Weis
     [not found] ` <15657.61603.221054.289184@spike.artisan.com>
2002-07-09  4:43   ` [Caml-list] Universal Serializer (was: productivity improvement) Oleg
2002-07-09  7:56     ` Nicolas Cannasse
2002-07-09  7:59     ` Nicolas Cannasse
2002-07-10 16:06       ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-10 22:29         ` Michael Vanier
2002-07-11  8:13           ` Nicolas Cannasse
2002-07-12 12:41           ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-14 12:25             ` [Caml-list] Statically detecting arrays bound exceptions ?? (was: Universal Serializer) Berke Durak
2002-07-14 13:24               ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-15  8:23                 ` Xavier Leroy
2002-07-15  8:39                 ` Noel Welsh
2002-07-15 21:22                   ` Oleg
2002-07-15 22:44                     ` Michael Vanier
2002-07-16  6:43                     ` Florian Hars
2002-07-16 20:22               ` [Caml-list] " John Max Skaller
2002-07-16 20:36                 ` Johan Baltié
2002-07-16 20:55                   ` Hao-yang Wang
2002-07-17  8:25                   ` Noel Welsh
2002-07-12  1:41         ` [Caml-list] Universal Serializer (was: productivity improvement) Eray Ozkural
2002-07-12  8:10           ` [Caml-list] OCaml QT bindings Stefano Zacchiroli
2002-07-12 17:30             ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-12 10:37         ` [Caml-list] Re: productivity improvement Oleg
2002-07-12 11:23           ` Markus Mottl [this message]
2002-07-12 11:34             ` Oleg
2002-07-12 11:43               ` Markus Mottl
2002-07-12 12:59                 ` Pierre Weis
2002-07-12 16:42                   ` Markus Mottl
2002-07-14 20:44                 ` Dave Berry
2002-07-14 22:13                   ` Markus Mottl
2002-07-15 16:43                     ` Alwyn Goodloe
2002-07-16 20:14                     ` Dave Berry
2002-07-17  3:21                       ` Eric Merritt
2002-07-15  9:39                   ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-10-15  8:38                   ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-17 21:27                     ` Dave Berry
2002-10-18  2:48                       ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-20 12:46                         ` Dave Berry
2002-10-21  6:11                           ` Michael Vanier
2003-05-10 20:41                           ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-12 11:43             ` Noel Welsh
2002-07-12 12:10               ` Markus Mottl
2002-07-12 13:44           ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-12 16:19             ` Alan Schmitt
2002-07-12 20:41             ` John Carr
2002-07-13 21:19               ` [Caml-list] Re: productivity improvementu Pierre Weis
2002-07-12 21:24             ` [Caml-list] Re: productivity improvement Brian Smith
2002-10-15  8:57             ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-15 11:50               ` [Caml-list] eproductivity improvement Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-09 12:45 ` [Caml-list] productivity improvement Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2002-07-09 18:20   ` Shannon --jj Behrens
2002-07-09 19:16     ` Oleg
2002-07-09 20:31       ` Shannon --jj Behrens
2002-07-10 10:02     ` sebastien FURIC
2002-07-10 11:58       ` Dave Mason
2002-07-10 13:11         ` sebastien FURIC
2002-07-10 19:22           ` nadji
2002-07-10 20:15       ` Sieve of Eratosthenes Performance: various languages (Re: [Caml-list] productivity improvement) Oleg
2002-07-10 20:34         ` [Caml-list] " William D. Neumann
2002-07-10 20:47           ` [Caml-list] Re: Sieve of Eratosthenes Performance: various languages Alexander V.Voinov
2002-07-10 21:16             ` William D. Neumann
2002-07-10 20:49           ` [Caml-list] Re: Sieve of Eratosthenes Performance: various languages (Re: [Caml-list] productivity improvement) William D. Neumann
2002-07-11 22:30           ` [Caml-list] Array.resize ? Oleg
2002-07-11 23:06             ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-12 13:01               ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-12 18:24                 ` Shawn Wagner
2002-07-11 23:31             ` Markus Mottl
2002-07-12 12:54             ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-12 13:23               ` Olivier Andrieu
2002-07-12 14:05                 ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-12 16:09               ` Brian Rogoff
2002-10-19  9:16                 ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-19 22:15                   ` [Caml-list] debugger losing contact with debuggee process Lex Stein
2002-10-20 10:06                     ` Pierre Weis
2002-10-21  9:11                     ` Xavier Leroy
2002-10-18  3:05             ` [Caml-list] Array.resize ? Eray Ozkural
2002-10-19  1:51               ` Oleg
2003-05-10 20:24                 ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-10 20:48         ` Sieve of Eratosthenes Performance: various languages (Re: [Caml-list] productivity improvement) Markus Mottl
2002-07-11  5:53           ` Anton E. Moscal
2002-10-18  3:07           ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-10 15:39 ` [Caml-list] productivity improvement John Max Skaller
2002-07-11  8:57   ` Nicolas barnier
2002-07-12 12:16   ` [Caml-list] Is this a bug? John Max Skaller
2002-07-12 14:05     ` Xavier Leroy
2002-07-16  3:34   ` [Caml-list] productivity improvement Oleg
2002-10-18  3:13     ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-15  6:00 [Caml-list] " Ohad Rodeh
2002-07-16 20:18 ` Dave Berry

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