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From: nadji@noos.fr
To: sebastien FURIC <sebastien.furic@tni-valiosys.com>
Cc: Dave Mason <dmason@sarg.ryerson.ca>, caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] productivity improvement
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:22:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D2C897D.873E9E0C@noos.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3D2C3296.126C83F0@tni.fr>

sebastien FURIC wrote:

> Dave Mason a écrit :
> >
> > Further to my comment on benchmarking...
> >
> > I just ran your ocaml lazy version, and got:
> >
> > real    14m15.124s
> > user    13m26.769s
> > sys     0m2.510s
> >
>

...

> > in garbage collection.  This looks like a perfect garbage-collector
> > stress test!
>

I did some tests and it seems a lot of time is being spent on garbage collection.

> >
> > My guess for why Clean does well suggests a garbage collector better
> > tuned to the problem, but more importantly, a much more efficient
> > handling of laziness.  I suspect you'd see similar results for this
> > problem in Haskell.  Of course that doesn't mean Clean or Haskell will
> > beat OCaml at most, or even many, other benchmarks.  But when laziness
> > is inherent in a solution, expect lazy languages to do much better
> > than eager languages.
> >

... with a lazy style of programming. I ran your test with my computer, and it
took
it around 5mn to complete. I programmed the same test in a functional way
(and with DDR's syntactic sugar), and it now completes in 21s. Moreover,
the program is nearly as short as your Clean one. See below.

>  It is not very surprising to beat O'Caml using a language that is tuned
> to perform lazy computations natively when the problem to solve is lazy!

I don't agree with you when you say that the problem to solve is lazy. The
_algorithm_ you use is lazy. There are certainly lots of ways to solve it
with imperative style, and lots of optimisations (I think of multiprocessor
ones) that you can't implement with your algorithm.


file erat.ml :
(* defines 2 streams : the first one is the functional that I have written,
and the second is Sébastien Furic's one *)
let primes1 =
  let rec erat isprime n =
    if isprime n then [< 'n; erat (fun k -> isprime k && k mod n <> 0) (n + 1) >]

    else erat isprime (n + 1)
  in erat (fun _ -> true) 2

let primes2 =
  let rec filter f = parser
      [< 'n; xs >] -> if f n then [< 'n; filter f xs >] else filter f xs
  in let rec sieve = parser
      [< 'p; xs >] -> [< 'p; sieve (filter (fun x -> x mod p <> 0) xs) >]
  in let rec from k = [< 'k; from (k + 1) >]
  in sieve (from 2)

let _ =
  let primes = match Sys.argv.(1) with "1" -> primes1 | "2" -> primes2
  | _ -> failwith "syntax: erat (1|2) n" in
  let rec print_stream = function
    | 0 -> Printf.printf "\n"
    | n -> Printf.printf "%d " (Stream.next primes); print_stream (n - 1)
  in print_stream (int_of_string (Sys.argv.(2)))

compile it with :
    ocamlopt -o erat -pp camlp4o erat.ml
on my computer,
    time ./erat 1 10000 ->  0:21.74
    time ./erat 2 10000 -> 5:15.87

Cheers,
Nadji

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  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-10 19:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-08 19:53 Oleg
2002-07-08 20:14 ` Michael Vanier
2002-07-10 15:50   ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-10 18:56     ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-10 19:09       ` Jun P.FURUSE
2002-07-11 23:43         ` Pierre Weis
     [not found] ` <15657.61603.221054.289184@spike.artisan.com>
2002-07-09  4:43   ` [Caml-list] Universal Serializer (was: productivity improvement) Oleg
2002-07-09  7:56     ` Nicolas Cannasse
2002-07-09  7:59     ` Nicolas Cannasse
2002-07-10 16:06       ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-10 22:29         ` Michael Vanier
2002-07-11  8:13           ` Nicolas Cannasse
2002-07-12 12:41           ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-14 12:25             ` [Caml-list] Statically detecting arrays bound exceptions ?? (was: Universal Serializer) Berke Durak
2002-07-14 13:24               ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-15  8:23                 ` Xavier Leroy
2002-07-15  8:39                 ` Noel Welsh
2002-07-15 21:22                   ` Oleg
2002-07-15 22:44                     ` Michael Vanier
2002-07-16  6:43                     ` Florian Hars
2002-07-16 20:22               ` [Caml-list] " John Max Skaller
2002-07-16 20:36                 ` Johan Baltié
2002-07-16 20:55                   ` Hao-yang Wang
2002-07-17  8:25                   ` Noel Welsh
2002-07-12  1:41         ` [Caml-list] Universal Serializer (was: productivity improvement) Eray Ozkural
2002-07-12  8:10           ` [Caml-list] OCaml QT bindings Stefano Zacchiroli
2002-07-12 17:30             ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-12 10:37         ` [Caml-list] Re: productivity improvement Oleg
2002-07-12 11:23           ` Markus Mottl
2002-07-12 11:34             ` Oleg
2002-07-12 11:43               ` Markus Mottl
2002-07-12 12:59                 ` Pierre Weis
2002-07-12 16:42                   ` Markus Mottl
2002-07-14 20:44                 ` Dave Berry
2002-07-14 22:13                   ` Markus Mottl
2002-07-15 16:43                     ` Alwyn Goodloe
2002-07-16 20:14                     ` Dave Berry
2002-07-17  3:21                       ` Eric Merritt
2002-07-15  9:39                   ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-10-15  8:38                   ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-17 21:27                     ` Dave Berry
2002-10-18  2:48                       ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-20 12:46                         ` Dave Berry
2002-10-21  6:11                           ` Michael Vanier
2003-05-10 20:41                           ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-12 11:43             ` Noel Welsh
2002-07-12 12:10               ` Markus Mottl
2002-07-12 13:44           ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-12 16:19             ` Alan Schmitt
2002-07-12 20:41             ` John Carr
2002-07-13 21:19               ` [Caml-list] Re: productivity improvementu Pierre Weis
2002-07-12 21:24             ` [Caml-list] Re: productivity improvement Brian Smith
2002-10-15  8:57             ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-15 11:50               ` [Caml-list] eproductivity improvement Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-09 12:45 ` [Caml-list] productivity improvement Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2002-07-09 18:20   ` Shannon --jj Behrens
2002-07-09 19:16     ` Oleg
2002-07-09 20:31       ` Shannon --jj Behrens
2002-07-10 10:02     ` sebastien FURIC
2002-07-10 11:58       ` Dave Mason
2002-07-10 13:11         ` sebastien FURIC
2002-07-10 19:22           ` nadji [this message]
2002-07-10 20:15       ` Sieve of Eratosthenes Performance: various languages (Re: [Caml-list] productivity improvement) Oleg
2002-07-10 20:34         ` [Caml-list] " William D. Neumann
2002-07-10 20:47           ` [Caml-list] Re: Sieve of Eratosthenes Performance: various languages Alexander V.Voinov
2002-07-10 21:16             ` William D. Neumann
2002-07-10 20:49           ` [Caml-list] Re: Sieve of Eratosthenes Performance: various languages (Re: [Caml-list] productivity improvement) William D. Neumann
2002-07-11 22:30           ` [Caml-list] Array.resize ? Oleg
2002-07-11 23:06             ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-12 13:01               ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-12 18:24                 ` Shawn Wagner
2002-07-11 23:31             ` Markus Mottl
2002-07-12 12:54             ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-12 13:23               ` Olivier Andrieu
2002-07-12 14:05                 ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-12 16:09               ` Brian Rogoff
2002-10-19  9:16                 ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-19 22:15                   ` [Caml-list] debugger losing contact with debuggee process Lex Stein
2002-10-20 10:06                     ` Pierre Weis
2002-10-21  9:11                     ` Xavier Leroy
2002-10-18  3:05             ` [Caml-list] Array.resize ? Eray Ozkural
2002-10-19  1:51               ` Oleg
2003-05-10 20:24                 ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-10 20:48         ` Sieve of Eratosthenes Performance: various languages (Re: [Caml-list] productivity improvement) Markus Mottl
2002-07-11  5:53           ` Anton E. Moscal
2002-10-18  3:07           ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-10 15:39 ` [Caml-list] productivity improvement John Max Skaller
2002-07-11  8:57   ` Nicolas barnier
2002-07-12 12:16   ` [Caml-list] Is this a bug? John Max Skaller
2002-07-12 14:05     ` Xavier Leroy
2002-07-16  3:34   ` [Caml-list] productivity improvement Oleg
2002-10-18  3:13     ` Eray Ozkural
     [not found] <200207092004.QAA09587@psi-phi.mit.edu>
2002-07-09 20:16 ` Oleg
     [not found] <20020716172916.4903.qmail@web10702.mail.yahoo.com>
2002-07-18 23:14 ` Oleg
2002-07-18 23:27   ` Brian Smith
2002-07-18 23:54   ` William Lovas
2002-07-19  3:59     ` Oleg
     [not found]       ` <20020719010318.B3631@boson.den.co.bbnow.net>
2002-07-19  8:22         ` Oleg
2002-07-19  8:57           ` Andreas Rossberg
2002-07-19 10:14             ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19 18:15               ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 18:33                 ` Brian Smith
2002-07-20 17:30                   ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 19:06                 ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-20 17:49                   ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 10:34             ` Oleg
2002-07-19 17:25               ` Andreas Rossberg
2002-07-20 16:58                 ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 16:35     ` Brian Rogoff
2002-10-16 23:24       ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-19  1:25   ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19  4:04     ` Oleg
2002-10-15  9:31     ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-15 12:34       ` Oleg
2002-10-15 15:08         ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-19  4:42   ` Emmanuel Renieris
2002-07-19  9:57     ` Oleg
2002-07-19 10:43       ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19 10:52         ` Daniel de Rauglaudre
2002-07-19 11:36           ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19 11:10       ` Xavier Leroy
2002-10-15  9:24         ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-15 18:47           ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2002-10-17  0:12             ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-17  9:34               ` Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2002-10-17 15:55                 ` Jeffrey Palmer
2002-10-17 16:15                   ` brogoff
2002-10-18 10:43                   ` Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2002-10-21  8:57                   ` Francois Pottier

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