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From: Eray Ozkural <erayo@cs.bilkent.edu.tr>
To: Xavier Leroy <xavier.leroy@inria.fr>, Oleg <oleg_inconnu@myrealbox.com>
Cc: Emmanuel Renieris <er@cs.brown.edu>, caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] productivity improvement
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:24:47 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200210151224.47272.erayo@cs.bilkent.edu.tr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020719131039.A30060@pauillac.inria.fr>

On Friday 19 July 2002 14:10, Xavier Leroy wrote:
> > Determine Dr. Leroy's involvement in JFK assassination 180
>
> Should take less time than this, given that I wasn't born at that time :-)
>
> As everyone else, I'll point out that your code can be shortened and
> made more readable by judicious use of printf and regexps (see below).
> But really, if this is the kind of programs you're interested in
> (text-based I/O with no data structures), forget about C++ and Caml,
> and use Perl.
>

Definitely so.

Also "portage" from C/C++ cannot automatically result in a productivity 
enhancement for obvious reasons. A straightforward port will preserve
the painstaking style of those languages.

For truly enhancing the quality of code the first step I take is to design
the program to benefit from the higher level of abstraction and modularity
modern functional languages provide for.

Especially using generic data types work very well. In ocaml you can really 
write algorithms that work on generic structures, which is good for cutting 
down code size and getting to the point. Using the module system, one can 
clearly decompose the code into interfaces and implementations...

For instance in a stock market prediction code I have been working on, it took 
no more than a couple of days to rewrite a large portion of the code in 
Haskell that was previously written in C. The resulting code was 
significantly shorter and more modular; allowing me to play with new 
algorithms / metrics easily. The same would not be the case with C++. (The 
code isn't too Haskell specific and could be done as well in ocaml)

That code I think went down from about 2500 lines to 500 lines which isn't 
bad. To attain that kind of improvement, you need a change in style. The C 
program apparently used lots of text I/O to transfer and store data between
modules. The Haskell program didn't have to.

It is also true that it is not correct to expect such improvements in code 
that is too simple. If all you want to do is to sum over an array of 
integers, you can do it in C easily.

-- 
Eray Ozkural <erayo@cs.bilkent.edu.tr>
Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara
www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo
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  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-15 11:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20020716172916.4903.qmail@web10702.mail.yahoo.com>
2002-07-18 23:14 ` Oleg
2002-07-18 23:27   ` Brian Smith
2002-07-18 23:54   ` William Lovas
2002-07-19  3:59     ` Oleg
     [not found]       ` <20020719010318.B3631@boson.den.co.bbnow.net>
2002-07-19  8:22         ` Oleg
2002-07-19  8:57           ` Andreas Rossberg
2002-07-19 10:14             ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19 18:15               ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 18:33                 ` Brian Smith
2002-07-20 17:30                   ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 19:06                 ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-20 17:49                   ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 10:34             ` Oleg
2002-07-19 17:25               ` Andreas Rossberg
2002-07-20 16:58                 ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 16:35     ` Brian Rogoff
2002-10-16 23:24       ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-19  1:25   ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19  4:04     ` Oleg
2002-07-19 15:46       ` [Caml-list] Rule based language [was: productivity improvement] Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19 17:20         ` [Caml-list] compact.c Julie Farago
2002-10-15  9:31     ` [Caml-list] productivity improvement Eray Ozkural
2002-10-15 12:34       ` Oleg
2002-10-15 15:08         ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-19  4:42   ` Emmanuel Renieris
2002-07-19  9:57     ` Oleg
2002-07-19 10:43       ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19 10:52         ` Daniel de Rauglaudre
2002-07-19 11:36           ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19 11:10       ` Xavier Leroy
2002-10-15  9:24         ` Eray Ozkural [this message]
2002-10-15 18:47           ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2002-10-17  0:12             ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-17  9:34               ` Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2002-10-17 15:55                 ` Jeffrey Palmer
2002-10-17 16:15                   ` brogoff
2002-10-17 18:21                   ` [Caml-list] Re: Camlp4 optimizations (was: productivity improvement) Christophe TROESTLER
2002-10-17 18:32                     ` Chris Hecker
2002-10-17 19:08                       ` Shivkumar Chandrasekaran
2002-10-17 20:01                         ` Chris Hecker
2002-10-17 19:36                       ` Daniel de Rauglaudre
2002-10-17 19:59                       ` Brian Hurt
2002-10-17 20:22                         ` Chris Hecker
2002-10-17 21:19                           ` Brian Hurt
2002-10-17 21:37                             ` Jeffrey Palmer
2002-10-17 23:55                               ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-10-18  0:57                                 ` Jeffrey Palmer
2002-10-18  4:21                                   ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-10-18  8:23                                     ` Remi VANICAT
2002-10-18  8:46                                       ` Sven Luther
2002-10-18  1:47                               ` Brian Hurt
2002-10-17 23:03                             ` Chris Hecker
2002-10-18 23:55                               ` brogoff
2002-10-18 10:43                   ` [Caml-list] productivity improvement Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2002-10-21  8:57                   ` Francois Pottier
     [not found] ` <200207200640.CAA11477@dewberry.cc.columbia.edu>
     [not found]   ` <3D391B41.50900@baretta.com>
     [not found]     ` <200207210059.UAA17003@dewberry.cc.columbia.edu>
2002-07-21 13:00       ` [Caml-list] Rule based language [was: productivity improvement] Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-23  9:53         ` Oleg
2002-07-24  8:07           ` Alessandro Baretta
     [not found] <200207092004.QAA09587@psi-phi.mit.edu>
2002-07-09 20:16 ` [Caml-list] productivity improvement Oleg
2002-07-08 19:53 Oleg
2002-07-08 20:14 ` Michael Vanier
2002-07-10 15:50   ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-10 18:56     ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-10 19:09       ` Jun P.FURUSE
2002-07-11 23:43         ` Pierre Weis
2002-07-09 12:45 ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2002-07-09 18:20   ` Shannon --jj Behrens
2002-07-09 19:16     ` Oleg
2002-07-09 20:31       ` Shannon --jj Behrens
2002-07-10 10:02     ` sebastien FURIC
2002-07-10 11:58       ` Dave Mason
2002-07-10 13:11         ` sebastien FURIC
2002-07-10 19:22           ` nadji
2002-07-10 15:39 ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-11  8:57   ` Nicolas barnier
2002-07-16  3:34   ` Oleg
2002-10-18  3:13     ` Eray Ozkural

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