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From: Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons <Diego-Olivier.FERNANDEZ-PONS@cicrp.jussieu.fr>
To: Eray Ozkural <erayo@cs.bilkent.edu.tr>
Cc: Caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] productivity improvement
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:34:04 +0200 (DST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.44.0210171047120.3235898-100000@ibm1.cicrp.jussieu.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200210170312.27133.erayo@cs.bilkent.edu.tr>

    Bonjour,

I do not understand very well why are you arguing, or is there anyone
in this list who is not convinced that Caml (and functional languages)
are more suited for any complex work than C/C++ (and other imperative
languages) ?

> Sorry, but I can't afford my code to look anywhere similar to STL.
> Using the standard lib for those data structures and algorithms may
> be okay, but writing something like STL itself is a big NO-NO.

When I wrote Baire, I read a lot of data structures and algorithms
code in other languages (C, C++, Java, SML, Haskell, Lisp, Scheme).

Compared with all those libraries, Baire is :
- much more complex (more algorithms and data structures)
- cleaner
- smaller
- easier to maintain and debug

It is faster than Java, SML, Haskell, Lisp and Scheme librairies
(since Caml is faster than all these languages and Baire uses same or
better algorithms), and we have good reasons to believe that it is at
least as fast as C++ code when you choose a data structure more suited
to the data you are manipulating (which Baire offers but STL/LEDA does
not)

Moreover, I wrote it in a few month and did it alone

Finally, Baire has not yet said its last word since it is only a
pre-release

Does anyone need more evidence ?

> Here is one for you: write a general purpose parallel array library with
> syntax similar to that of blitz, should implement efficient parallel
> algorithms for a large class of topologies. That was the project which led me
> to conclude that C++ was *not* fitting for generic programming....

C++ in not fitting for any kind of programming and there is no need of
such a specific application to demostrate it.


        Diego Olivier

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  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-17  9:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20020716172916.4903.qmail@web10702.mail.yahoo.com>
2002-07-18 23:14 ` Oleg
2002-07-18 23:27   ` Brian Smith
2002-07-18 23:54   ` William Lovas
2002-07-19  3:59     ` Oleg
     [not found]       ` <20020719010318.B3631@boson.den.co.bbnow.net>
2002-07-19  8:22         ` Oleg
2002-07-19  8:57           ` Andreas Rossberg
2002-07-19 10:14             ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19 18:15               ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 18:33                 ` Brian Smith
2002-07-20 17:30                   ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 19:06                 ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-20 17:49                   ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 10:34             ` Oleg
2002-07-19 17:25               ` Andreas Rossberg
2002-07-20 16:58                 ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 16:35     ` Brian Rogoff
2002-10-16 23:24       ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-19  1:25   ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19  4:04     ` Oleg
2002-07-19 15:46       ` [Caml-list] Rule based language [was: productivity improvement] Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19 17:20         ` [Caml-list] compact.c Julie Farago
2002-10-15  9:31     ` [Caml-list] productivity improvement Eray Ozkural
2002-10-15 12:34       ` Oleg
2002-10-15 15:08         ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-19  4:42   ` Emmanuel Renieris
2002-07-19  9:57     ` Oleg
2002-07-19 10:43       ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19 10:52         ` Daniel de Rauglaudre
2002-07-19 11:36           ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19 11:10       ` Xavier Leroy
2002-10-15  9:24         ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-15 18:47           ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2002-10-17  0:12             ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-17  9:34               ` Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons [this message]
2002-10-17 15:55                 ` Jeffrey Palmer
2002-10-17 16:15                   ` brogoff
2002-10-17 18:21                   ` [Caml-list] Re: Camlp4 optimizations (was: productivity improvement) Christophe TROESTLER
2002-10-17 18:32                     ` Chris Hecker
2002-10-17 19:08                       ` Shivkumar Chandrasekaran
2002-10-17 20:01                         ` Chris Hecker
2002-10-17 19:36                       ` Daniel de Rauglaudre
2002-10-17 19:59                       ` Brian Hurt
2002-10-17 20:22                         ` Chris Hecker
2002-10-17 21:19                           ` Brian Hurt
2002-10-17 21:37                             ` Jeffrey Palmer
2002-10-17 23:55                               ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-10-18  0:57                                 ` Jeffrey Palmer
2002-10-18  4:21                                   ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-10-18  8:23                                     ` Remi VANICAT
2002-10-18  8:46                                       ` Sven Luther
2002-10-18  1:47                               ` Brian Hurt
2002-10-17 23:03                             ` Chris Hecker
2002-10-18 23:55                               ` brogoff
2002-10-18 10:43                   ` [Caml-list] productivity improvement Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2002-10-21  8:57                   ` Francois Pottier
     [not found] ` <200207200640.CAA11477@dewberry.cc.columbia.edu>
     [not found]   ` <3D391B41.50900@baretta.com>
     [not found]     ` <200207210059.UAA17003@dewberry.cc.columbia.edu>
2002-07-21 13:00       ` [Caml-list] Rule based language [was: productivity improvement] Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-23  9:53         ` Oleg
2002-07-24  8:07           ` Alessandro Baretta
     [not found] <200207092004.QAA09587@psi-phi.mit.edu>
2002-07-09 20:16 ` [Caml-list] productivity improvement Oleg
2002-07-08 19:53 Oleg
2002-07-08 20:14 ` Michael Vanier
2002-07-10 15:50   ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-10 18:56     ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-10 19:09       ` Jun P.FURUSE
2002-07-11 23:43         ` Pierre Weis
2002-07-09 12:45 ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2002-07-09 18:20   ` Shannon --jj Behrens
2002-07-09 19:16     ` Oleg
2002-07-09 20:31       ` Shannon --jj Behrens
2002-07-10 10:02     ` sebastien FURIC
2002-07-10 11:58       ` Dave Mason
2002-07-10 13:11         ` sebastien FURIC
2002-07-10 19:22           ` nadji
2002-07-10 15:39 ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-11  8:57   ` Nicolas barnier
2002-07-16  3:34   ` Oleg
2002-10-18  3:13     ` Eray Ozkural

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