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From: Daniel de Rauglaudre <daniel.de_rauglaudre@inria.fr>
To: Caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: Camlp4 optimizations (was: productivity improvement)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:36:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021017213644.A6846@verdot.inria.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20021017112600.0318b410@mail.d6.com>; from checker@d6.com on Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 11:32:31AM -0700

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 11:32:31AM -0700, Chris Hecker wrote:
> 
> camlp4 can generate C with no problem (although I don't know if it can 
> create another file, but I don't see why not, it can run arbitrary caml 
> code during parsing).

Camlp4, in its standard usage, does not generate C: Camlp4, in its
standard usage, just converts source code (in any syntax) into normal
OCaml source code (by abstract syntax tree).

But of course, Camlp4 is a normal OCaml program, and therefore can
create, as side effects, intermediate files, C files, why not, and can
transmit to OCaml some code defining the good "external" definitions,
and so on. But it would not be what Camlp4 is created for.

And Camlp4 does not know the types of the things in the file its
treats. If you want types, you must do typing!!! And I am sorry,
typing a program is a rather complicated job...

When you write "let x = 3 in x + 2", Camlp4 does not even make the
relation between the first "x" and the second "x". For it, they are
just some pattern and some expression, that's all.

  ---

To know if Camlp4 can help: take your source program, add any syntax
extension that you would like to have, and write what you want that
Camlp4 generates for you in *normal OCaml syntax*: if you cannot write
your thing in normal OCaml syntax, it means that Camlp4 cannot help
you.

Since you cannot write C code in normal OCaml syntax, you cannot use
Camlp4 to generate C code.

-- 
Daniel de RAUGLAUDRE
daniel.de_rauglaudre@inria.fr
http://cristal.inria.fr/~ddr/
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-10-17 19:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20020716172916.4903.qmail@web10702.mail.yahoo.com>
2002-07-18 23:14 ` [Caml-list] productivity improvement Oleg
2002-07-18 23:27   ` Brian Smith
2002-07-18 23:54   ` William Lovas
2002-07-19  3:59     ` Oleg
     [not found]       ` <20020719010318.B3631@boson.den.co.bbnow.net>
2002-07-19  8:22         ` Oleg
2002-07-19  8:57           ` Andreas Rossberg
2002-07-19 10:14             ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19 18:15               ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 18:33                 ` Brian Smith
2002-07-20 17:30                   ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 19:06                 ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-20 17:49                   ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 10:34             ` Oleg
2002-07-19 17:25               ` Andreas Rossberg
2002-07-20 16:58                 ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 16:35     ` Brian Rogoff
2002-10-16 23:24       ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-19  1:25   ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19  4:04     ` Oleg
2002-07-19 15:46       ` [Caml-list] Rule based language [was: productivity improvement] Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19 17:20         ` [Caml-list] compact.c Julie Farago
2002-10-15  9:31     ` [Caml-list] productivity improvement Eray Ozkural
2002-10-15 12:34       ` Oleg
2002-10-15 15:08         ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-19  4:42   ` Emmanuel Renieris
2002-07-19  9:57     ` Oleg
2002-07-19 10:43       ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19 10:52         ` Daniel de Rauglaudre
2002-07-19 11:36           ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19 11:10       ` Xavier Leroy
2002-10-15  9:24         ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-15 18:47           ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2002-10-17  0:12             ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-17  9:34               ` Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2002-10-17 15:55                 ` Jeffrey Palmer
2002-10-17 16:15                   ` brogoff
2002-10-17 18:21                   ` [Caml-list] Re: Camlp4 optimizations (was: productivity improvement) Christophe TROESTLER
2002-10-17 18:32                     ` Chris Hecker
2002-10-17 19:08                       ` Shivkumar Chandrasekaran
2002-10-17 20:01                         ` Chris Hecker
2002-10-17 19:36                       ` Daniel de Rauglaudre [this message]
2002-10-17 19:59                       ` Brian Hurt
2002-10-17 20:22                         ` Chris Hecker
2002-10-17 21:19                           ` Brian Hurt
2002-10-17 21:37                             ` Jeffrey Palmer
2002-10-17 23:55                               ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-10-18  0:57                                 ` Jeffrey Palmer
2002-10-18  4:21                                   ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-10-18  8:23                                     ` Remi VANICAT
2002-10-18  8:46                                       ` Sven Luther
2002-10-18  1:47                               ` Brian Hurt
2002-10-17 23:03                             ` Chris Hecker
2002-10-18 23:55                               ` brogoff
2002-10-18 10:43                   ` [Caml-list] productivity improvement Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2002-10-21  8:57                   ` Francois Pottier
     [not found] ` <200207200640.CAA11477@dewberry.cc.columbia.edu>
     [not found]   ` <3D391B41.50900@baretta.com>
     [not found]     ` <200207210059.UAA17003@dewberry.cc.columbia.edu>
2002-07-21 13:00       ` [Caml-list] Rule based language [was: productivity improvement] Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-23  9:53         ` Oleg
2002-07-24  8:07           ` Alessandro Baretta

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