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From: Michael Vanier <mvanier@cs.caltech.edu>
To: oleg_inconnu@myrealbox.com
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] productivity improvement
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:14:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200207082014.g68KE0n02894@orchestra.cs.caltech.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200207081952.PAA28813@hickory.cc.columbia.edu> (message from Oleg on Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:53:26 -0400)


Imperative code in ocaml is not going to be massively different than
imperative code in any other (garbage-collected) language.  You need to
learn the functional style.  Why not post some of the personal utility
programs to the list and see if we can make them more idiomatic?

Personally, I think one of the big issues wrt C++ vs. ocaml is simply the
presence of a garbage collector and real strong static type checking.  The
productivity increases are as much in the form of reduced debugging time as
they are in the form of fewer lines of code.  However, higher-order
functions can give you a substantial savings in code size.

Mike


> From: Oleg <oleg_inconnu@myrealbox.com>
> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:53:26 -0400
> 
> Hi
> 
> As part of learning O'Caml I was rewriting small personal utility programs 
> from C++ to O'Caml and I have not seen any productivity improvement so far. 
> Possibly, this is because I essentially use the same imperative style or 
> because my knowledge of O'Caml is rudimental or because there is no 
> productivity enhancement, at least for the programs I was translating or for 
> small programs in general.
> 
> What are the _simplest_ examples that demonstrate considerable (> 2:1) O'Caml 
> vs C++ productivity improvement (in terms of program size) and where can I 
> find them?
> 
> Thanks
> Oleg
> 
> P.S. Just trying to stay motivated.
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  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-09  7:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-08 19:53 Oleg
2002-07-08 20:14 ` Michael Vanier [this message]
2002-07-10 15:50   ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-10 18:56     ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-10 19:09       ` Jun P.FURUSE
2002-07-11 23:43         ` Pierre Weis
     [not found] ` <15657.61603.221054.289184@spike.artisan.com>
2002-07-09  4:43   ` [Caml-list] Universal Serializer (was: productivity improvement) Oleg
2002-07-09  7:56     ` Nicolas Cannasse
2002-07-09  7:59     ` Nicolas Cannasse
2002-07-10 16:06       ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-10 22:29         ` Michael Vanier
2002-07-11  8:13           ` Nicolas Cannasse
2002-07-12 12:41           ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-14 12:25             ` [Caml-list] Statically detecting arrays bound exceptions ?? (was: Universal Serializer) Berke Durak
2002-07-14 13:24               ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-15  8:23                 ` Xavier Leroy
2002-07-15  8:39                 ` Noel Welsh
2002-07-15 21:22                   ` Oleg
2002-07-15 22:44                     ` Michael Vanier
2002-07-16  6:43                     ` Florian Hars
2002-07-16 20:22               ` [Caml-list] " John Max Skaller
2002-07-16 20:36                 ` Johan Baltié
2002-07-16 20:55                   ` Hao-yang Wang
2002-07-17  8:25                   ` Noel Welsh
2002-07-12  1:41         ` [Caml-list] Universal Serializer (was: productivity improvement) Eray Ozkural
2002-07-12  8:10           ` [Caml-list] OCaml QT bindings Stefano Zacchiroli
2002-07-12 17:30             ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-12 10:37         ` [Caml-list] Re: productivity improvement Oleg
2002-07-12 11:23           ` Markus Mottl
2002-07-12 11:34             ` Oleg
2002-07-12 11:43               ` Markus Mottl
2002-07-12 12:59                 ` Pierre Weis
2002-07-12 16:42                   ` Markus Mottl
2002-07-14 20:44                 ` Dave Berry
2002-07-14 22:13                   ` Markus Mottl
2002-07-15 16:43                     ` Alwyn Goodloe
2002-07-16 20:14                     ` Dave Berry
2002-07-17  3:21                       ` Eric Merritt
2002-07-15  9:39                   ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-10-15  8:38                   ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-17 21:27                     ` Dave Berry
2002-10-18  2:48                       ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-20 12:46                         ` Dave Berry
2002-10-21  6:11                           ` Michael Vanier
2003-05-10 20:41                           ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-12 11:43             ` Noel Welsh
2002-07-12 12:10               ` Markus Mottl
2002-07-12 13:44           ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-12 16:19             ` Alan Schmitt
2002-07-12 20:41             ` John Carr
2002-07-13 21:19               ` [Caml-list] Re: productivity improvementu Pierre Weis
2002-07-12 21:24             ` [Caml-list] Re: productivity improvement Brian Smith
2002-10-15  8:57             ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-15 11:50               ` [Caml-list] eproductivity improvement Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-09 12:45 ` [Caml-list] productivity improvement Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2002-07-09 18:20   ` Shannon --jj Behrens
2002-07-09 19:16     ` Oleg
2002-07-09 20:31       ` Shannon --jj Behrens
2002-07-10 10:02     ` sebastien FURIC
2002-07-10 11:58       ` Dave Mason
2002-07-10 13:11         ` sebastien FURIC
2002-07-10 19:22           ` nadji
2002-07-10 20:15       ` Sieve of Eratosthenes Performance: various languages (Re: [Caml-list] productivity improvement) Oleg
2002-07-10 20:34         ` [Caml-list] " William D. Neumann
2002-07-10 20:47           ` [Caml-list] Re: Sieve of Eratosthenes Performance: various languages Alexander V.Voinov
2002-07-10 21:16             ` William D. Neumann
2002-07-10 20:49           ` [Caml-list] Re: Sieve of Eratosthenes Performance: various languages (Re: [Caml-list] productivity improvement) William D. Neumann
2002-07-11 22:30           ` [Caml-list] Array.resize ? Oleg
2002-07-11 23:06             ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-12 13:01               ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-12 18:24                 ` Shawn Wagner
2002-07-11 23:31             ` Markus Mottl
2002-07-12 12:54             ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-12 13:23               ` Olivier Andrieu
2002-07-12 14:05                 ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-12 16:09               ` Brian Rogoff
2002-10-19  9:16                 ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-19 22:15                   ` [Caml-list] debugger losing contact with debuggee process Lex Stein
2002-10-20 10:06                     ` Pierre Weis
2002-10-21  9:11                     ` Xavier Leroy
2002-10-18  3:05             ` [Caml-list] Array.resize ? Eray Ozkural
2002-10-19  1:51               ` Oleg
2003-05-10 20:24                 ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-10 20:48         ` Sieve of Eratosthenes Performance: various languages (Re: [Caml-list] productivity improvement) Markus Mottl
2002-07-11  5:53           ` Anton E. Moscal
2002-10-18  3:07           ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-10 15:39 ` [Caml-list] productivity improvement John Max Skaller
2002-07-11  8:57   ` Nicolas barnier
2002-07-12 12:16   ` [Caml-list] Is this a bug? John Max Skaller
2002-07-12 14:05     ` Xavier Leroy
2002-07-16  3:34   ` [Caml-list] productivity improvement Oleg
2002-10-18  3:13     ` Eray Ozkural
     [not found] <200207092004.QAA09587@psi-phi.mit.edu>
2002-07-09 20:16 ` Oleg
     [not found] <20020716172916.4903.qmail@web10702.mail.yahoo.com>
2002-07-18 23:14 ` Oleg
2002-07-18 23:27   ` Brian Smith
2002-07-18 23:54   ` William Lovas
2002-07-19  3:59     ` Oleg
     [not found]       ` <20020719010318.B3631@boson.den.co.bbnow.net>
2002-07-19  8:22         ` Oleg
2002-07-19  8:57           ` Andreas Rossberg
2002-07-19 10:14             ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19 18:15               ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 18:33                 ` Brian Smith
2002-07-20 17:30                   ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 19:06                 ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-20 17:49                   ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 10:34             ` Oleg
2002-07-19 17:25               ` Andreas Rossberg
2002-07-20 16:58                 ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-19 16:35     ` Brian Rogoff
2002-10-16 23:24       ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-19  1:25   ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19  4:04     ` Oleg
2002-10-15  9:31     ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-15 12:34       ` Oleg
2002-10-15 15:08         ` Eray Ozkural
2002-07-19  4:42   ` Emmanuel Renieris
2002-07-19  9:57     ` Oleg
2002-07-19 10:43       ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19 10:52         ` Daniel de Rauglaudre
2002-07-19 11:36           ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-07-19 11:10       ` Xavier Leroy
2002-10-15  9:24         ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-15 18:47           ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2002-10-17  0:12             ` Eray Ozkural
2002-10-17  9:34               ` Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2002-10-17 15:55                 ` Jeffrey Palmer
2002-10-17 16:15                   ` brogoff
2002-10-18 10:43                   ` Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2002-10-21  8:57                   ` Francois Pottier

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