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From: John Carr <jfc@MIT.EDU>
To: Chris Hecker <checker@d6.com>
Cc: <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] ocaml and large development projects
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 07:13:01 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200305181113.HAA11919@nerd-xing.mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 17 May 2003 23:10:03 PDT." <4.3.2.7.2.20030517225010.04b748a0@localhost>


> Don't people consider separate compilation and the ability to change 
> implementation without complete project recompiles a fundamental 
> requirement of non-toy languages?

Ten or fifteen years ago (when building a large project took a day of
compile time, and building the complete OS took several days) I would
have answered "yes".

Now it is an important feature but not an essential feature.


> If this can't be fixed, there needs to be a way to disable cross-file 
> inlining so that it can be worked around (and the checksums should reflect 
> this, and ocamldep should do the right thing, etc.), and then when you want 
> to "globally optimize" you can recompile the world.

At least two possibilities come to mind:

1. An inining threshold that affects generation of .cmx files instead
of their use.  -gen-inline 0 means don't generate any inlining information,
-gen-inline 1 means put small functions in the .cmx file, etc.

2. Only put functions defined in the .mli file in the .cmx file

Either way you have to avoid letting regeneration of an identical
.cmx file trigger a rebuild of the whole project.  Two solutions:

1. Make ocamlopt leave an existing .cmx file if the new contents
would be identical.

2. Use scons, a python-based make replacement that uses file contents
instead of modification time.  It is designed for large projects.
I'll have to try it out with ocaml some day.  The startup cost is
high because it works not at all like make.

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  reply	other threads:[~2003-05-18 11:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <ocaml@tagger.yapper.org>
2003-03-31 16:51 ` [Caml-list] How can I check for the use of polymorphic equality? Neel Krishnaswami
2003-03-31 17:33   ` brogoff
2003-04-03 19:44   ` Jason Hickey
2003-04-03 20:40     ` Pierre Weis
2003-04-03 20:53       ` Chris Hecker
2003-04-04  8:46         ` Pierre Weis
2003-04-04 19:05           ` Jason Hickey
2003-04-04  9:10         ` Andreas Rossberg
2003-05-14 11:43 ` [Caml-list] ocaml and large development projects Traudt, Mark
2003-05-14 15:52   ` Jason Hickey
2003-05-18  5:32     ` Chris Hecker
2003-05-18  5:44       ` David Brown
2003-05-18  6:10         ` Chris Hecker
2003-05-18 11:13           ` John Carr [this message]
2003-05-18 16:51             ` Ed L Cashin
2003-05-18 18:08               ` Lex Stein
2003-05-18 19:08                 ` Ed L Cashin
2003-05-18 19:55                   ` Lex Stein
2003-05-19  8:13                   ` Markus Mottl
2003-05-19  8:33                     ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-06-02 21:59                     ` John Max Skaller
2003-05-18 23:19                 ` Chris Hecker
2003-05-18 14:38           ` David Brown
2003-05-18 16:00             ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2003-05-19 15:36           ` Brian Hurt
2003-05-19 19:31             ` Chris Hecker
2003-05-19 23:39               ` Seth Kurtzberg
2003-05-20  8:07               ` [Caml-list] ocaml as *.so (was: ...and large development projects) Wolfgang Müller
2003-05-20  8:42                 ` [Caml-list] Reading a file Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-20 10:21                   ` Mattias Waldau
2003-05-20 10:48                   ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-05-20 10:55                   ` Markus Mottl
2003-05-20 13:20                   ` Michal Moskal
2003-05-20 12:21                     ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-21  6:11                     ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-21  6:48                       ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-21  6:53                         ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-21  9:16                           ` Markus Mottl
2003-05-21 10:04                             ` Eray Ozkural
2003-05-21 16:20                               ` brogoff
2003-05-21  8:21                       ` Michal Moskal
2003-05-21  7:24                         ` [Caml-list] PsiLAB works fine under Linux SuSE 8 Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-21  9:11                       ` [Caml-list] Reading a file Markus Mottl
2003-05-22  6:27                         ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-22 10:26                           ` Markus Mottl
2003-05-23  5:59                             ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-23  6:04                               ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-20 10:45                 ` [Caml-list] ocaml as *.so (was: ...and large development projects) Nicolas Cannasse
2003-05-20 11:17                   ` Wolfgang Müller
2003-05-20 11:31                     ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-05-20 11:40                       ` Wolfgang Müller
2003-06-02 22:40                 ` John Max Skaller
2003-06-03 13:26                   ` [Caml-list] ocaml as *.so Remi Vanicat
2003-06-02 22:42               ` [Caml-list] ocaml and large development projects John Max Skaller
2003-06-02 21:24           ` John Max Skaller
2003-06-02 21:12       ` John Max Skaller
2003-06-03  0:31         ` Chris Hecker
2003-06-03 10:13           ` Michal Moskal
2003-06-03 18:12             ` Chris Hecker
2003-06-03 14:31           ` art yerkes
2003-06-03 21:55           ` Jason Hickey
2003-06-03 22:42             ` Chris Hecker
2003-06-06 23:46             ` John Max Skaller

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