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From: John Max Skaller <skaller@ozemail.com.au>
To: "'caml-list@inria.fr'" <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] ocaml and large development projects
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 07:24:47 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3EDBC09F.2080403@ozemail.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030517225010.04b748a0@localhost>

Chris Hecker wrote:

> 
>> > Uh, isn't this a major flaw in the compiler?  Why does this happen?
>> Inlining.  Inlining is an important optimization, especially for
>> functional languages, where many functions are typically short.
> 
> 
> Sure, but there has to be a better way to do this than forcing a 
> recompile of the entire program when you change a debug print in your 
> lowest level completely encapsulated library.  That's insanely bad 
> software engineering, and this is a huge issue.  


No it isn't. With due respect, Chris, you come
from the C++ world where compiles take an hour,
the NFS service is screwed, and everyone is
alway rebuilding everying in a totally
unmodular fashion.

So you are expecting poor performance where it
simply doesn't exist.

This is not C++ where you #include the whole
of the standard library and half the rest
of the world in every small translation
unit and have to recompile the interface
from TEXT every time.

This is Ocaml where you can selectively include
module interfaces which have been already compiled.
So compiles of tranlsation units (ml files)
are very very fast because 90% of the work
a C++ compiler does is recompile the same thing
over and over again ......

Added to that Ocaml has a simpler language
structure, and doesn't need to instantiate
10000 templates ..

Trust me. Don't worry about it!
The existing compiler performance optimisations
and separate compilation model have superb performance
from an engineering viewpoint (if there is a weakness
it is in the unexpected slowness of inference of
some nasty types, which occasionally bites you)


-- 
John Max Skaller, mailto:skaller@ozemail.com.au
snail:10/1 Toxteth Rd, Glebe, NSW 2037, Australia.
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-06-02 21:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2003-03-31 16:51 ` [Caml-list] How can I check for the use of polymorphic equality? Neel Krishnaswami
2003-03-31 17:33   ` brogoff
2003-04-03 19:44   ` Jason Hickey
2003-04-03 20:40     ` Pierre Weis
2003-04-03 20:53       ` Chris Hecker
2003-04-04  8:46         ` Pierre Weis
2003-04-04 19:05           ` Jason Hickey
2003-04-04  9:10         ` Andreas Rossberg
2003-05-14 11:43 ` [Caml-list] ocaml and large development projects Traudt, Mark
2003-05-14 15:52   ` Jason Hickey
2003-05-18  5:32     ` Chris Hecker
2003-05-18  5:44       ` David Brown
2003-05-18  6:10         ` Chris Hecker
2003-05-18 11:13           ` John Carr
2003-05-18 16:51             ` Ed L Cashin
2003-05-18 18:08               ` Lex Stein
2003-05-18 19:08                 ` Ed L Cashin
2003-05-18 19:55                   ` Lex Stein
2003-05-19  8:13                   ` Markus Mottl
2003-05-19  8:33                     ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-06-02 21:59                     ` John Max Skaller
2003-05-18 23:19                 ` Chris Hecker
2003-05-18 14:38           ` David Brown
2003-05-18 16:00             ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2003-05-19 15:36           ` Brian Hurt
2003-05-19 19:31             ` Chris Hecker
2003-05-19 23:39               ` Seth Kurtzberg
2003-05-20  8:07               ` [Caml-list] ocaml as *.so (was: ...and large development projects) Wolfgang Müller
2003-05-20  8:42                 ` [Caml-list] Reading a file Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-20 10:21                   ` Mattias Waldau
2003-05-20 10:48                   ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-05-20 10:55                   ` Markus Mottl
2003-05-20 13:20                   ` Michal Moskal
2003-05-20 12:21                     ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-21  6:11                     ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-21  6:48                       ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-21  6:53                         ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-21  9:16                           ` Markus Mottl
2003-05-21 10:04                             ` Eray Ozkural
2003-05-21 16:20                               ` brogoff
2003-05-21  8:21                       ` Michal Moskal
2003-05-21  7:24                         ` [Caml-list] PsiLAB works fine under Linux SuSE 8 Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-21  9:11                       ` [Caml-list] Reading a file Markus Mottl
2003-05-22  6:27                         ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-22 10:26                           ` Markus Mottl
2003-05-23  5:59                             ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-23  6:04                               ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-20 10:45                 ` [Caml-list] ocaml as *.so (was: ...and large development projects) Nicolas Cannasse
2003-05-20 11:17                   ` Wolfgang Müller
2003-05-20 11:31                     ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-05-20 11:40                       ` Wolfgang Müller
2003-06-02 22:40                 ` John Max Skaller
2003-06-03 13:26                   ` [Caml-list] ocaml as *.so Remi Vanicat
2003-06-02 22:42               ` [Caml-list] ocaml and large development projects John Max Skaller
2003-06-02 21:24           ` John Max Skaller [this message]
2003-06-02 21:12       ` John Max Skaller
2003-06-03  0:31         ` Chris Hecker
2003-06-03 10:13           ` Michal Moskal
2003-06-03 18:12             ` Chris Hecker
2003-06-03 14:31           ` art yerkes
2003-06-03 21:55           ` Jason Hickey
2003-06-03 22:42             ` Chris Hecker
2003-06-06 23:46             ` John Max Skaller

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