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From: David Brown <caml-list@davidb.org>
To: Chris Hecker <checker@d6.com>
Cc: David Brown <caml-list@davidb.org>,
	"'caml-list@inria.fr'" <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] ocaml and large development projects
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 07:38:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030518143848.GA599@opus.davidb.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030517225010.04b748a0@localhost>

On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 11:10:03PM -0700, Chris Hecker wrote:

> Do people think I'm overreacting there?  I can't believe anyone thinking 
> about using ocaml for big native code projects wouldn't consider this a 
> 100% showstopper.  I certainly would have thought differently about using 
> ocaml if I'd known this when I started my project.

> If this can't be fixed, there needs to be a way to disable cross-file 
> inlining so that it can be worked around (and the checksums should reflect 
> this, and ocamldep should do the right thing, etc.), and then when you want 
> to "globally optimize" you can recompile the world.

I do agree that there should be an option to disable cross-file
inlining.  Somehow that would have to be coordinated with the
dependencies.  I don't know if this would be easy to implement, though,
since I don't think the code doing the inlining knows where the
functions came from.

In my experience, it isn't as bad as you make it sound like.  Touching
early modules doesn't cause a recompile of everything, only modules that
directly depend on it.  The inlining seems to only happen to one level.

However, ocaml is not alone in supporting cross-file inlining.  The
GNU-Ada compiler (GNAT) supports cross-module inlining.  It is an
option, that is not enabled by default.  The compiler automatically
detects the extra dependencies when it is enabled, and recompiles as
necessary.

There are a few C compilers that support cross-file inlining, but the
ones that I know of do it at "link" time.  So instead of extra
recompiles of source files, you end up with extremely long link times,
since it is doing the global analysis of everything each time you link.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-05-18 14:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2003-03-31 16:51 ` [Caml-list] How can I check for the use of polymorphic equality? Neel Krishnaswami
2003-03-31 17:33   ` brogoff
2003-04-03 19:44   ` Jason Hickey
2003-04-03 20:40     ` Pierre Weis
2003-04-03 20:53       ` Chris Hecker
2003-04-04  8:46         ` Pierre Weis
2003-04-04 19:05           ` Jason Hickey
2003-04-04  9:10         ` Andreas Rossberg
2003-05-14 11:43 ` [Caml-list] ocaml and large development projects Traudt, Mark
2003-05-14 15:52   ` Jason Hickey
2003-05-18  5:32     ` Chris Hecker
2003-05-18  5:44       ` David Brown
2003-05-18  6:10         ` Chris Hecker
2003-05-18 11:13           ` John Carr
2003-05-18 16:51             ` Ed L Cashin
2003-05-18 18:08               ` Lex Stein
2003-05-18 19:08                 ` Ed L Cashin
2003-05-18 19:55                   ` Lex Stein
2003-05-19  8:13                   ` Markus Mottl
2003-05-19  8:33                     ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-06-02 21:59                     ` John Max Skaller
2003-05-18 23:19                 ` Chris Hecker
2003-05-18 14:38           ` David Brown [this message]
2003-05-18 16:00             ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2003-05-19 15:36           ` Brian Hurt
2003-05-19 19:31             ` Chris Hecker
2003-05-19 23:39               ` Seth Kurtzberg
2003-05-20  8:07               ` [Caml-list] ocaml as *.so (was: ...and large development projects) Wolfgang Müller
2003-05-20  8:42                 ` [Caml-list] Reading a file Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-20 10:21                   ` Mattias Waldau
2003-05-20 10:48                   ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-05-20 10:55                   ` Markus Mottl
2003-05-20 13:20                   ` Michal Moskal
2003-05-20 12:21                     ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-21  6:11                     ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-21  6:48                       ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-21  6:53                         ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-21  9:16                           ` Markus Mottl
2003-05-21 10:04                             ` Eray Ozkural
2003-05-21 16:20                               ` brogoff
2003-05-21  8:21                       ` Michal Moskal
2003-05-21  7:24                         ` [Caml-list] PsiLAB works fine under Linux SuSE 8 Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-21  9:11                       ` [Caml-list] Reading a file Markus Mottl
2003-05-22  6:27                         ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-22 10:26                           ` Markus Mottl
2003-05-23  5:59                             ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-23  6:04                               ` Siegfried Gonzi
2003-05-20 10:45                 ` [Caml-list] ocaml as *.so (was: ...and large development projects) Nicolas Cannasse
2003-05-20 11:17                   ` Wolfgang Müller
2003-05-20 11:31                     ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-05-20 11:40                       ` Wolfgang Müller
2003-06-02 22:40                 ` John Max Skaller
2003-06-03 13:26                   ` [Caml-list] ocaml as *.so Remi Vanicat
2003-06-02 22:42               ` [Caml-list] ocaml and large development projects John Max Skaller
2003-06-02 21:24           ` John Max Skaller
2003-06-02 21:12       ` John Max Skaller
2003-06-03  0:31         ` Chris Hecker
2003-06-03 10:13           ` Michal Moskal
2003-06-03 18:12             ` Chris Hecker
2003-06-03 14:31           ` art yerkes
2003-06-03 21:55           ` Jason Hickey
2003-06-03 22:42             ` Chris Hecker
2003-06-06 23:46             ` John Max Skaller

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