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From: Dustin Sallings <dustin@spy.net>
To: John J Lee <jjl@pobox.com>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Executable size?
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:05:13 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <C355048C-153A-11D8-A660-000393CFE6B8@spy.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0311121605570.1430@alice>


On Nov 12, 2003, at 8:14, John J Lee wrote:

> How does O'Caml compare with languages like Haskell (ghc), C and C++ 
> for
> executable size?  Does compiled code depend on a runtime library (and 
> how
> big is that, if so)?

	Well, the bin is bigger than a minimal C app with the same 
functionality.  There is no runtime library required (I build and 
distribute apps).  I somehow don't have ghc on my machines here to do a 
comparison.

> Are there any easily-identifiable, non-obvious, factors that affect
> executable size (I'm talking about end-use factors, rather those 
> resulting
> from the design decisions taken by the language designers and
> implementors)?

	(don't know)

> I currently use Python by preference, but I'm interested in a language
> (other than C/C++!) that doesn't depend on a big runtime library and
> generates "reasonably" small executables -- modems are here to stay 
> for a
> while yet.

	The stuff I build on my Mac ends up being about 300k so far.  That 
seems reasonably small to me.

	I'm not sure what a modem has to do with your distribution, but there 
are options.  You could distribute the source to your app (which will 
be way smaller than the equivalent C or C++ application) and compile 
elsewhere, or you can use the transfer time to bask in your 
productivity and performance gains.  :)

	Python is a bad reference for two reasons:

	1) You don't typically distribute compiled python apps (and when you 
do, it's always bytecode).
	2) Ocaml's runtime is *amazingly* fast.

	I've prototyped a few apps in python before rewriting in ocaml for 
performance.  The speed gains alone are beginning to push python away 
from being my primary utility app language.  I like a lot about the 
language as well.

-- 
Dustin Sallings

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-11-12 18:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-12 16:14 John J Lee
2003-11-12 17:33 ` Richard Jones
2003-11-12 18:06   ` Dustin Sallings
2003-11-12 18:31     ` Sven Luther
2003-11-12 18:50       ` John J Lee
2003-11-13  9:10         ` Sven Luther
2003-11-13 13:46           ` John J Lee
2003-11-13 14:28             ` Sven Luther
2003-11-12 18:21   ` John J Lee
2003-11-12 22:53     ` Richard Jones
2003-11-12 23:50       ` John J Lee
2003-11-15 12:48     ` skaller
2003-11-15 15:25       ` John J Lee
2003-11-12 19:06   ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-12 18:38     ` Sven Luther
2003-11-12 19:04       ` Karl Zilles
2003-11-12 21:29         ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-12 20:03       ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-13  4:14         ` Kamil Shakirov
2003-11-13  9:06           ` Richard Jones
2003-11-13  9:18         ` Sven Luther
2003-11-12 18:46     ` John J Lee
2003-11-12 20:40       ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-12 20:10         ` Basile Starynkevitch
2003-11-12 20:35         ` John J Lee
2003-11-12 21:51           ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-12 21:35             ` David Brown
2003-11-12 22:12           ` Eric Dahlman
2003-11-12 23:32             ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-12 22:53               ` Eric Dahlman
2003-11-12 23:35               ` John J Lee
2003-11-12 23:44             ` John J Lee
2003-11-13  0:26               ` Karl Zilles
2003-11-13  1:29                 ` [Caml-list] F-sharp (was: Executable size?) Oleg Trott
2003-11-14  6:04                   ` [Caml-list] float_of_num Christophe Raffalli
2003-11-13 15:43               ` [Caml-list] Executable size? Eric Dahlman
2003-11-13 19:58                 ` John J Lee
2003-11-13 20:36                   ` Eric Dahlman
2003-11-13 22:16                     ` John J Lee
2003-11-15 13:41                   ` skaller
2003-11-15 15:13                     ` John J Lee
2003-11-15 18:07                       ` skaller
2003-11-15 13:36                 ` skaller
2003-11-15 15:01                   ` John J Lee
2003-11-15 17:53                     ` skaller
2003-11-13 13:37         ` Florian Hars
2003-11-12 18:05 ` Dustin Sallings [this message]
2003-11-12 18:36   ` John J Lee
2003-11-12 19:04     ` Dustin Sallings
2003-11-12 20:17       ` John J Lee
2003-11-12 20:01     ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2003-11-13  1:23 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-11-15 12:09 ` skaller

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