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From: John J Lee <jjl@pobox.com>
To: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Executable size?
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:13:24 +0000 (GMT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0311151503532.5150@alice> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1068903697.25869.101.camel@pelican>

On Sat, 16 Nov 2003, skaller wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 06:58, John J Lee wrote:
[...]
> > OK.  Getting back to the original question again (how to reduce data to be
> > transferred over the network), both O'Caml and C statically link this
> > runtime stuff, right?  So, why is O'Caml's "hello world" (compressed) 45k,
> > to C's 1 or 2k?  Is that 43k the garbage collector?  Or is it mostly that
> > O'Caml, in contrast to C, is linking in a bunch of stuff from its standard
> > library that isn't strictly required for "hello world"?  Or something else
> > again??
> >
> > Hope I'm not going round in circles here...
>
> The Ocaml equivalent of a C stub program which dynamically
> links to the C run time is bytecode.

And, you're implying, even C's "hello world" *is* using the C standard
library, because of printf -- and O'Caml is using it's standard library
for the same reason.  So part of the O'Caml standard library is statically
linked into hello world, thus explaining part of the 43k difference?  In
that case, I wonder what the C / O'Caml executable size discrepancy for
"hello world" becomes if you use only OS routines directly?


> Ocaml native code compiler, at least on the x86,
> does not generate relocatable code, and so Ocaml
> library functions cannot be dynamically linked.
> [At present .. :]

So, an O'Caml .DLL or .so is implemented using O'Caml bytecode?


> In my opinion, you best bet is to generate bytecode
> and distribute that. Your clients WILL have to download
> the bigger ocamlrun driver harness, but hopefully
> only once.

That's not useful in the case where the user is only downloading one
program, unfortunately.


John

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  reply	other threads:[~2003-11-15 15:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-12 16:14 John J Lee
2003-11-12 17:33 ` Richard Jones
2003-11-12 18:06   ` Dustin Sallings
2003-11-12 18:31     ` Sven Luther
2003-11-12 18:50       ` John J Lee
2003-11-13  9:10         ` Sven Luther
2003-11-13 13:46           ` John J Lee
2003-11-13 14:28             ` Sven Luther
2003-11-12 18:21   ` John J Lee
2003-11-12 22:53     ` Richard Jones
2003-11-12 23:50       ` John J Lee
2003-11-15 12:48     ` skaller
2003-11-15 15:25       ` John J Lee
2003-11-12 19:06   ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-12 18:38     ` Sven Luther
2003-11-12 19:04       ` Karl Zilles
2003-11-12 21:29         ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-12 20:03       ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-13  4:14         ` Kamil Shakirov
2003-11-13  9:06           ` Richard Jones
2003-11-13  9:18         ` Sven Luther
2003-11-12 18:46     ` John J Lee
2003-11-12 20:40       ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-12 20:10         ` Basile Starynkevitch
2003-11-12 20:35         ` John J Lee
2003-11-12 21:51           ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-12 21:35             ` David Brown
2003-11-12 22:12           ` Eric Dahlman
2003-11-12 23:32             ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-12 22:53               ` Eric Dahlman
2003-11-12 23:35               ` John J Lee
2003-11-12 23:44             ` John J Lee
2003-11-13  0:26               ` Karl Zilles
2003-11-13  1:29                 ` [Caml-list] F-sharp (was: Executable size?) Oleg Trott
2003-11-14  6:04                   ` [Caml-list] float_of_num Christophe Raffalli
2003-11-13 15:43               ` [Caml-list] Executable size? Eric Dahlman
2003-11-13 19:58                 ` John J Lee
2003-11-13 20:36                   ` Eric Dahlman
2003-11-13 22:16                     ` John J Lee
2003-11-15 13:41                   ` skaller
2003-11-15 15:13                     ` John J Lee [this message]
2003-11-15 18:07                       ` skaller
2003-11-15 13:36                 ` skaller
2003-11-15 15:01                   ` John J Lee
2003-11-15 17:53                     ` skaller
2003-11-13 13:37         ` Florian Hars
2003-11-12 18:05 ` Dustin Sallings
2003-11-12 18:36   ` John J Lee
2003-11-12 19:04     ` Dustin Sallings
2003-11-12 20:17       ` John J Lee
2003-11-12 20:01     ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2003-11-13  1:23 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-11-15 12:09 ` skaller

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